The blog of author Dennis Cooper

Nick Toti presents … Mike Warnke *

* (restored)

 

Introduction

The Satanic Panic era was complicated. It’s easy enough to laugh at YouTube clips from the various “special reports” on the rise of a Satanic Underground in the American heartland, but the whole phenomenon demonstrated something dark in our collective national unconscious. It’s only natural that a folk hero should emerge from all that cultural chaos, and after much research I think that the best candidate for this role is Mike Warnke, a man who played a major role in both creating and then (inadvertently) ending the Satanic Panic.

I started researching Warnke a few years ago for a documentary project that never quite found its footing. To paint in broad strokes, he was a massively successful Christian stand-up comic from the late-70’s to the early-90’s. He first gained fame in the evangelical Christian community in 1972 when he published a memoir called The Satan Seller that chronicled his mid-60’s career as a drug dealer and satanic high priest before finding Jesus. The Satan Seller was a hit and Warnke became a popular speaker in the evangelical circuit thanks to his shocking testimony. According to Warnke, he started using humor to tell his story because otherwise it was too depressing. In time, he moved away from the more titillating Satanic material and focused almost entirely on wholesome family entertainment with a Christian message. His ministry brought in millions and basically created the Christian comedy industry.

Warnke’s story took a dramatic turn in 1992 when Cornerstone magazine, a Christian publication, ran a lengthy expose debunking nearly every claim that he had made about his nefarious past. They provided photographic evidence that, rather than having waist-length white hair and six-inch long fingernails as he had claimed, in the mid-60’s Warnke was a strait-laced, unassuming nerd. The article also revealed the scandalous details of Warnke’s multiple marriages and his ministry’s varied financial indiscretions. The article was devastating to Warnke’s career. His record label dropped him and Warnke Ministries closed its doors. The speaking engagements stopped and the world, having grown tired of Satan as the boogeyman de jour, dismissed Warnke as a hypocrite and a fraud.

If Warnke’s story stopped here, it would be a nice little cautionary tale about the wolf in sheep’s clothing duping a bunch of ignorant Christians. What makes Warnke particularly interesting, though, is that his story does not stop here.

After some initial push-back, Warnke acknowledged many of the accusations that had been made against him. In an attempt at salvaging his reputation as a minister, he submitted himself to the authority of a tribunal board made up of Christian ministers. This tribunal oversaw Warnke’s career for the next 13 years before eventually releasing him from their authority as a minister in good standing within the Christian community. It has now been 25 years since his career imploded, but Warnke is still traveling the world doing speaking engagements and releasing books, albums, and DVDs.

But the thing that makes his continued career of particular interest is the fact that, through everything, Warnke has denied lying about his past involvement with Satanism and the occult. He’s certainly toned it down in his act (which is now much closer to preaching than stand-up comedy), but he never admitted to making it up. Exaggerate? Yes, he admits that some of the details became embellished for the sake of spinning a good yarn. But he insists that his testimony was essentially true.

This puts the Mike Warnke story in an interesting place. The most typical response seems to be an immediate leap to presume that Warnke is, once again, lying. This is understandable, but there are some intriguing factors that complicate the matter.

The first complication came in 1979. Warnke had released three incredibly successful comedy albums for Word Records, but he wanted to shift to something more serious for his next release. He proposed an album on the dangers of Halloween that Word flatly refused to back out of fear that audiences would resent a non-comedy Warnke album and their cash cow would have been effectively slaughtered. Warnke believed in the project so much that he produced it independently and found a different distributor. This level of dedication (and personal financial risk) to the dangers of the occult would be odd in a man who was only looking to make money off of unwitting believers. This project was important enough to Warnke to jeopardize his growing comedy career.

The second complication came from Warnke’s third wife Rose Hall Warnke. In 1985 she published The Great Pretender, a book that chronicles (in the most flamboyantly bizarre fashion) the work that was then being done at Warnke Ministries. Rose’s account, which was published 7 years before the Cornerstone expose, openly discusses Warnke’s adulterous indiscretions, his unusual personal habits (including dressing in bishop’s robes while in the privacy of their home), and Warnke Ministries’s tempestuous relationship with the IRS. All of this information is presented openly in a book featuring full-color promotional photos and an introduction by Mike Warnke.

Last is the account published by Warnke’s tribunal. The advisory board that was established for the sole purpose of overseeing Warnke’s rehabilitation into good standing as a minister did not find the evidence against him sufficient to discredit his occult background. Having read the accounts against Warnke, I’m inclined to agree that the evidence the Cornerstone journalists provided is often flimsy and unfairly biased against Warnke. This certainly doesn’t mean that Warnke was telling the truth (and a tribunal board made up of evangelical Christian ministers hand-picked by Warnke can hardly be considered impartial), but it does paint a more complicated picture than most have been willing to acknowledge.

While I’d be a dummy to think that Mike Warnke was telling (pardon the phrase) the god’s honest truth, I think that it’s safe to say that he believes, quite sincerely, in what he has claimed. This leaves us with a few options: 1) Mike Warnke has some sort of mental illness and cannot distinguish between fact and fiction; 2) Mike Warnke is an unusually dedicated liar, despite the fact that his lies stopped advantaging him 25 years ago; or 3) Mike Warnke, despite his numerous and well-documented embellishments and exaggerations, told the truth about a Satanic conspiracy in America and his involvement in it.

Regardless of the truth, Mike Warnke represents a modern American iteration of the Faust legend. He sold his soul to Satan, gained great earthly power, and suffered terrible consequences. Faust’s redemption was sometimes granted and sometimes denied, depending on who was telling the story. I think it would only be fair to grant Warnke that same level of eternal ambiguity.

 

Timeline

November 19, 1946 – Mike Warnke born in Evansville, Indiana to Alfred “Al” Warnke and Louise Warnke.

1951 – Warnke family moves to Manchester, Tennessee where Al opens a truck stop.

1955 – Louise Warnke dies in a car accident.

1958 – Al Warnke dies, leaving Mike an orphan. He spends rest of his childhood living with family either in Sparta, Tennessee or San Bernardino, California.

June 1965 – Mike graduates from Rim of the World High School in Lake Arrowhead, California.

September 1965 – Mike enrolls at San Bernardino Valley College but withdraws after one semester. According to The Satan Seller, this is the point at which he becomes a Satanist.

June 2, 1966 – Mike Warnke enlists in the U.S. Navy. According to The Satan Seller, it is during boot camp that Warnke becomes a born again Christian, though this has been disputed.

August 22, 1966 – Warnke graduates from boot camp and is assigned to serve as a hospital corpsman.

1967 – Warnke completes naval corpsman training and returns to San Diego to marry Sue Studer. They will later have two children together.

1969 – Warnke is deployed to Vietnam for a six-month tour of duty. He is awarded a Purple Heart for injuries sustained during this time, though accounts of his injuries have varied greatly. Warnke’s various accounts have him spending much time detained, allegedly killing a man in battle, and surviving being shot several times, including once by an arrow.

1970 – Warnke returns to the U.S. After his return, he teams up with evangelist Morris Cerullo and the two begin touring in their “Witchmobile” to fight against Satanism and the Occult. Cerullo introduces Warnke to David Balsiger so that the two can collaborate on a book about youth occultism.

1972 – Warnke requests an early discharge from the Navy as a conscientious objector in order to focus full-time on ministry. His request is granted. Warnke then severs ties with Cerullo’s ministry to start his own and forbids Cerullo from using any of his material. Warnke (with writing help from Balsiger and Les Jones) publishes The Satan Seller later that year. The book quickly launches Warnke into stardom within the evangelical Christian community and he begins his work as a popular public speaker.

1974 – Warnke moves his family to attend Trinity Bible College in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He meets Carolyn Alberty and the two begin an affair. Warnke also meets Elijah Coady, an independent, schismatic bishop of the Syro-Chaldean Church, also known as the Assyrian Church of the East or the Nestorian church. Coady ordains Warnke as a deacon. Upon graduation, Warnke is again ordained and he moves with his family to Denver, Colorado.

November 1975 – At an Indiana coffeehouse, Warnke’s talk about his conversion from Satanism to Christianity is recorded and later released by Word Records as his first album, Alive.

December 1975 – Warnke divorces Sue Studer to marry Carolyn Alberty.

September 1976 – Warnke is featured on the cover of Harmony, a Christian magazine.

1977 – Warnke releases his second album, Jester In The King’s Court.

1978 – Warnke recounts his Vietnam experiences on his third album, Hey, Doc!

1979 – Warnke independently produces the non-comedy album A Christian Perspective on Halloween after his label, Word Records, refuses to release it. Warnke’s second book, Hitchhiking on Hope Street, is published. This same year, Warnke provides a short preface to The Todd Phenomenon, a book debunking a fraudulent ex-occultist.

November 1979 – Warnke and Alberty divorce. Soon after, Warnke marries Rose Hall, a thrice-divorced mother of three children, and moves to her farm in Kentucky.

1981 – Word releases Coming Home.

1982 – Word releases Higher Education, the first of two albums by Mike and Rose Warnke.

1983 – Growing Up, the final Mike and Rose Warnke album, is released. Independent bishop Richard Morrill of the Byzantine Catholic Church, Inc. ordains Warnke as a bishop.

1985 – Under Word’s Dayspring label, Warnke releases Stuff Happens.

May 16, 1985 – Warnke appears in a prime-time news report about Satanism, titled “The Devil Worshippers,” on ABC’s 20/20.

1985 – Good News Tonight is released. Warnke Ministries reportedly raises over 1 million dollars in contributions this year.

1987 – Warnke Ministries now reportedly raises over 2 million dollars per year.

1988 – One in a Million is released.

1989 – Warnke’s first VHS special Do You Hear Me? is released. Mike and Rose Warnke separate but remain married.

1990 – Totally Weird is released.

1991 – Out of My Mind is released both on VHS and as an album. Schemes of Satan, Warnke’s third book, is published.

September 4, 1991 – Mike and Rose Warnke divorce. Mike marries his fourth wife, Susan Patton, six weeks later.

1992 – Warnke releases Full Speed Ahead, his final album for nearly a decade. Mike and Rose Hall Warnke publish Recovering from Divorce, which will be Mike’s last book for the next 13 years. Cornerstone magazine publishes Volume 21, Issue 98 “The Mike Warnke Story” by Mike Hertenstein and Jon Trott. The story uncovers evidence that much of Warnke’s testimony has been fraudulent as well as exposing various personal indiscretions.

July 29, 1992 – Further investigations by Kentucky reporters at the Lexington Herald-Leader reveal that Warnke Ministries has engaged in financial misdeeds.

August 5, 19992 – Word Records drops Warnke from the label.

September 30, 1992 – Warnke Ministries closes its doors.

1993 – Hertenstein and Trott publish a book-length expansion of their Cornerstone story, titled Selling Satan. This same year, Warnke submits to the authority of an assembly of ministers “acting as elders” (also referred to as his “tribunal”). He acknowledges his “ungodliness”, his “multiple divorces”, his “failure as husband, father, and friend”, and admits to “embellishment and exaggeration … in an attempt … to entertain.” Nonetheless, Warnke continues to “stand by [his] testimony of former Satanic involvement.”

December, 1996 – Warnke suffers a heart attack.

December 5, 1996 – Mike and Susan Warnke’s Celebrations of Hope, Inc. is granted 501(c)(3) tax exempt status.

2001 – Warnke releases Jesus Loves Me!, his first album in 9 years.

2002 – Destiny Image publishes Warnke’s Friendly Fire: A Recovery Guide for Believers Battered by Religion, his first book in 10 years.

2005 – Warnke releases Serious as a Heart Attack on DVD, his first comedy special in 14 years.

2006 – Warnke releases The Storybook, an album consisting largely of previously released material.

December 5, 2006 – Warnke’s tribunal makes a formal statement announcing the “successful completion of the recommendations that were placed on [Warnke] and [his] ministry by the Advisory Council 13 years ago in January of 1993. All restrictions have been met and are hereby lifted.”

2008 – Warnke re-releases his 1989 special Do You Hear Me? on DVD with a new introduction and concluding message. Notably, this version has edited out large portions of the original special in which Warnke discusses Satanists and Satanic ritual abuse of young children in graphic detail.

2015 – Warnke releases his comedy special Still Alive on DVD.

 

 

 

Publications

The Satan Seller – 1972

Disclaimer from the copyright page: “Some of the names in this book have been changed to protect the individuals involved. The events are absolutely as described.”

This is the book that started Warnke’s career. It tells the story of how, as a nineteen-year-old, Mike Warnke rose through the ranks of modern occultism, ultimately leading a coven of 1500 members as a High Priest in the Church of Satan. He had an unlimited supply of drugs, his own car and driver, access to private jets whenever he needed, and two sex slaves living in his pitch-black Satanic bachelor pad. It was, by Warnke’s own admission, a great life…until the drugs and stress got the better of him and he was betrayed by his coven and left for dead. In an act of desperation, he joins the Navy where, through the insistent meddling of his evangelical Christian bunkmates, he finds the saving grace of Jesus Christ. From that point forward, he would dedicate his life to fighting the forces of Evil.

 

Hitchhiking on Hope Street – 1979

Largely consisting of adapted transcriptions from Warnke’s first three comedy albums, Hitchhiking on Hope Street also contains numerous letters ostensibly written to real people in Warnke’s life. In an interview from the year before its publication, Warnke referred to the book by a different title: Letters to Those that Live at the Edge.

Disclaimer from the copyright page: “The stories in this book are true: however, to protect the privacy of individuals involved, certain names, dates, places, and likenesses have been altered.”

 

The Todd Phenomenon – 1979
By Darryl E. Hicks & Dr. David A. Lewis
(Featuring a Foreword by Mike Warnke)

John Todd was an influential conspiracy theorist among the evangelical Christian community of the 1970s. His background contained dubious claims of occult involvement and firsthand knowledge of the Illuminati. This book was written by concerned members of the evangelical community to expose Todd as a fraud. Ironically, they turned to Mike Warnke to write the book’s foreword. Warnke warns readers: “We as Christians have to be careful of those who take the name of the Lord in vain.”

 

The Great Pretender – 1985
by Rose Hall Warnke

A truly bizarre book by Warnke’s then-wife and business/ministry partner at the height of their popularity. A nearly unreadable mess, at times this book seems like it has to be a joke. Most famously, it lists Spinal Tap (yes, Spinal Tap!) as an example of the type of Satanic rock band that stands as a threat to good Christian values. The book also chronicles Warnke’s flirtations with adultery and the couple’s persecution at the hands of the IRS. At one point she makes casual reference to Warnke wearing the robes of a traditional Catholic bishop while relaxing at home. (It is worth noting that this information was voluntarily published seven years before the Cornerstone article “exposed” some of these same details.) The book also includes original poetry and advice on parenting. The author comes across as disturbingly naive and sincerely terrified of Satan.

 

Schemes of Satan – 1991

This book is a training manual for uncovering hidden Satanic and occult influences at work in everyday life. The usual suspects are all accounted for: horror movies, rock music, Dungeons & Dragons, etc. At 300 densely-packed, heavily researched pages, the book is exhaustive enough to expose the occult influences in anyone’s life.

 

Recovering from Divorce – 1992
(Co-authored with Rose Hall Warnke)

Just as the Warnke scandal was about to break, he and his newly-ex-wife published this book on divorce. More than anything so far in his career, this book demonstrates Warnke’s tendency to deflect blame through perceived victimhood. The Warnkes do not present themselves as fully responsible for their failed marriage; instead, they are “victims of divorce.” It’s difficult not to interpret this book’s publication as an attempt by the successful couple to “stay ahead of the scandal” the their divorce. Unfortunately for Warnke, he chose the wrong scandal to get ahead of.

 

Cornerstone magazine, Volume 21, Issue 98 – 1992
“The Mike Warnke Story”

This is the 20,000+ word expose that all but ended Warnke’s career. Its details have been widely covered elsewhere (see virtually any other article or blog post about Warnke). The evidence presented is compelling and quite damning. Warnke, however, claimed that the article was unfairly biased against him…a point that is actually worth considering. The authors seem willing to publish any account that makes Warnke look bad without establishing the credibility of their sources.

 

Selling Satan – 1993
by Mike Hertenstein & Jon Trott

After the success of their Cornerstone article, authors Mike Hertenstein and Jon Trott expanded it into a 400+ page book with extensive notes and references. Most commentators are content to treat this book as the final word on Warnke even though he has continued working as a career minister for more than two decades since its publication.

 

Friendly Fire – 2002

Ten years after the Cornerstone scandal broke, Warnke made his definitive public response with this book. Rather than directly answering his accusers, though, this is a book on how to “weather the storm” when the Church turns against one of its members. For anyone expecting any sort of accounting for the various discrepancies in Warnke’s biography, this book will prove hugely disappointing. For those interested in watching the mental gymnastics of a man insistent of his own victimhood in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it is a treasure trove.

Disclaimer from the copyright page: “Take note that the name satan and related names are not capitalized. We choose not to acknowledge him even to the point of violating grammatical rules.”

 

Albums

Alive! (1976)

 

Jester in the King’s Court (1977)

 

Hey Doc! (1978)

 

A Christian Perspective on Halloween (1979)

Coming Home (1981)

 

Higher Education – with Rose Hall Warnke (1982)

 

Growing Up – with Rose Hall Warnke (1983)

 

Stuff Happens (1985)

 

Good News Tonight (1986)

 

One in a Million (1988)

 

Totally Weird (1990)

 

Out of My Mind (1991)

 

Full Speed Ahead (1992)

Jesus Loves Me! (2001)

 

The Storybook (2006)

 

Audio

 

Videos

Warnke’s 1989 stand-up special Do You Hear Me?

 

Warnke’s 1991 stand-up special Out of My Mind in its entirety.

 

Raw footage of Warnke being interviewed by a Christian journalist around 1979.

 

Warnke helps advertise Youth Alive television program.

 

20/20 special “The Devil Worshippers” (featuring Mike Warnke as an expert on Satanism), broken up across three videos.



 

Both parts of Christian teen television program Fire by Night’s two-part “Satanism Unmasked” special, featuring special guest Mike Warnke (in Part 1 only).


 

Word Records 1991 promotional video (featuring Warnke in numerous interstitial comedy sketches).

 

Further Reading

* The Cornerstone series on Mike Warnke – This page has links to the original article and various responses from Warnke and others.
* Lexington Herald-Reader articles about Warnke
* Excerpts from a message board Q&A with one of the Cornerstone editors
* From Subculture to Major Industry: Mike Warnke and The Roots of Christian Stand-Up Comedy
* How Many Gods Does it Take to Screw in a Light Bulb? Just One. – As good of an article on the “Christian comedy industry” as you’re likely to find.
* Mike Warnke’s Tribunal Board – 13 years of updates from Warnke’s spiritual advisers
* Mike Warnke’s Wikipedia page
* Mike Warnke: The Man Who Sold Satan
* A message board account from someone claiming to be Warnke’s former road manager – If the writer is who he says he is, this has some good insight into Mike and Rose’s relationship.
* Still Selling Satan: Mike Warnke Update – A brief interview with Mike and Rose from shortly after the scandal broke.
* Laughs stopped for Christian comic Mike Warnke offers fans new outlook after ministry’s crash – An article on Warnke’s post-scandal comeback.
* Friendly Fire book review – An incredibly harsh review of a book that deserves every bit of it.
* Mike Warnke’s official website
* Mike Warnke’s official Facebook page

 

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p.s Hey. This is probably late notice for a lot of you, but I curated an hour of music to be listened to in complete darkness that’s being broadcast on Guillaume Sorge’s audio program ‘les yeux fermes’ at 2 pm (CET) today, and you can listen to it here. ** Dominik, Hi!!! You made it back, whew! What a strange glitch that hopefully was. Great to see you! We finished this current version of the film on Friday, and we’ve now submitted it to the first festival and will await their verdict very anxiously. After a few days break, we’ll go back to working on it and trying to find some funds to make further work on it possible. New SCAB!!!! Wowzer! Everyone, the new and 13th issue of Dominik’s amazing literary zine SCAB is out now out there for you to grab and devour. It’s full of work by incredible scribes, including the blog’s own Pedro Minet, Dominic Lyne, and others. Open it up here. That’s so exciting! The gasp-worthy tan line was quite memorable, yes. Well, theoretically. Love making the path from your words to the internal workings of this blog a super highway from this moment forward ad infinitum, G. ** David Ehrenstein, Hi. Did you mean to link to the blog’s Valeska Gert Day? An excellent choice, if so. She was kind of living Halloween prop. ** Charalampos, The Elias event was very charming. He’s so cool. I didn’t end up watching a film. Too much other stuff. And I now have a couple of days break from rewatching and fiddling with our own film, which I will try to enjoy. Vibeage of a positive nature from never boring Paris. ** Cody Goodnight, Hi. I’m good. Glad you liked the post. I adore Halloween props as, well, is obvious. I’ll always wonder how Harmony Korine got that wonderful performance out of Franco in ‘Spring Breakers’ because otherwise he is a complete non-stop bore. I agree with you about ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2’. I’m wondering if I should go see ‘The Nun 2’ because it’s the only horror movie in theaters here. Probably not. I hope your day rewards you bigly. ** Dee Kilroy, Excellently, nice! I’m … doing borderline excellently maybe. ‘Tripticks’: sweet. What did you add to your wardrobe? Log Lady, ha ha, very cool. Do take pix or vids or thereabouts. Thanks about the work/money. We’ll sort that somehow because we absolutely have to, and I’m an eternal optimist, and blah blah. What’s new or even newish? ** _Black_Acrylic, Yes, there were, like, maybe three actually affordable props in there that weren’t terrible, that one included. Excellent rug, man. I want one. Surely your mom will be charmed to bits. ** Misanthrope, Yep, the big H is upon us, thank fucking god. Oh, yeah the tropical storm. You East Coast guys are getting them so often these days it’s getting a little samey. Um, I think, editing-wise, it depends. I mean with blockbusters like Marvel stuff and ‘M:I’ and whatever, those just depend of tricks, so I guess their directors just find a pro and let ’em loose. I know big dudes like Scorcese and Spielberg have trusted editors that they always work with, so I guess they can say ‘do this, do that’ and then check in to see what’s happening. I think with every filmmaker I personally admire, they must be very hands-on with the editing even if they probably have a technical person to handle all the button pushing. I honestly don’t understand how a director could hand off the editing to someone else since that’s where the film actually becomes whatever it’s going to be. With Zac and me, we know exactly what we want, and we want to go where we’re going without doing any of the conventional editing stuff, and no one but us knows what we want, so we do it ourselves as a consequence. But, yeah, I don’t get how a director could not be as involved in the editing as they are in the shooting and casting and writing and all of that. It makes no sense to me. ** paul bennett, Hi, Paul. I saw your email, and I’ll write back to you today. ** Ollie 🍲🙌🎩, Lovely emoji combo there. I’m really tempted to buy those scary twin boys. I won’t, but I’m very tempted. You guys have a Mars Attacks! animated prop?! Holy shit! That’s so cool. Wow. I saw Poor George in my search but there was another animatronic that did the same thing that I liked better and who wasn’t a clown because I only like clown props under duress. Clowns and zombies …snore. But I like Poor George, don’t get me wrong. Hell Spawn is cool. I don’t how I missed seeing him. And Devil guy! An instant classic. ‘Prayers’ for Arsenic. Eek. You’re close finishing the draft of your book! That’s awfully exciting. Wow, congrats or close to congrats as the case may be. I don’t know the book, obviously, but I do like something about the title ‘Dogbite’. Yes, Poison Props! When I found their store, the post’s cup started to runneth over. ** John Newton, Hi, John. I would definitely collect them if I had the money and space for them, yes. Uh, I would guess it’s just as hard or easy to get published as it has ever been. Well, easier now, actually, since there are so many good small and independent presses that are infinitely more open than the major presses who use to dominate publishing. I think I just liked to live my normal life when I did dexedrine but with that particular enhancement. I remember it made my writing really shitty because I was too impatient to finesse anything. I’ve never met Rick Moody. We did exchange messages on Facebook once giving each other high fives about our mutual Guided by Voices love. Same with me basically when on LSD. Although I think I mostly just stood or sat somewhere and stared despite my best intentions. Thanks about the film. We’ve made our first festival submission, so now we’ll start seeing what’s what. ** Right. I decided to restore filmmaker Nick Toti’s old guest-post about the very curious Mike Warnke because it charmed/charms me. Up to you now. See you tomorrow.

13 Comments

  1. Dominik

    Hi!!

    I made it back! It’s good to be here again; I have no idea what brought this issue on. Anyway. Your love today potentially sorted the situation for good, so thank you!

    Oh, wow! You’ve submitted the film to the first festival! Do you know when you should hear back from them? My fingers couldn’t be crossed any tighter!!

    Thank you so much for the SCAB shoutout!! Please imagine at least three heart emojis here. But maybe even four.

    Mike Warnke sure had a tumultuous life – and a talent to profit from both ups and downs in very creative ways. I really liked this post; thank you for restoring it!

    Love offering to buy you the prop of your choice from yesterday’s post – which one is your heart’s utmost desire today? Od.

  2. _Black_Acrylic

    I will listen to the ‘les yeux fermes’ playlist when it’s suitably dark, but I hope it all went well.

    @ Nick, thank you for this great and authoritative day on Mr Warnke. He’s not a figure I’ve had any contact with before but both anything to do with the Satanic panic, I’m all ears.

    I had another Covid jab today, being one of those so-called “vulnerable” people most at risk. My friend Morgan in the US has recently come down with it and I think that a comeback is most definitely on the cards.

  3. Jack Skelley

    Hi Dennis—
    Hope the movie is moving right along & we see you (then it) soon. Alert: After 8 Books sent me the recording of the Zoomified FOKA launch w you and Sabrina in Paris. Good convo!! Thanx again!!! Here it is on YouTube. https://youtu.be/t-t4UJ8TUmA?si=Bji8daFJE34L207f In other news: I dropped-off my (new) daughter at college this weekend. And the kids and cuties of L.A.’s new bulging lit scene seem to have adopted me: I last week headlined one of their confabs. I fucking luv these kids. Also, Soon to have coffee w Mark & Jose of the Dennis Cooper zine (and its chapter the Cock Coaster). Writing a ton of shit. Twas a good week. -Jack

  4. Matt N.

    Hi, Dennis. Its been a while. Super interesting post today… were you raised in a religious home? How’s the post-production going? Last friday I talked about your books with my therapist and she said one of her patients is obsessed with The Sluts. That was impressing because she’s from my (Brazilian) hometown, not a very known, metropolitan place. Wish you a good week.

  5. Charalampos

    I was so moved and happy to see Pinback – Talby there This is one of my fave songs. PSA sounds so different than it did when I had it so connected with his ”all out in the open to deal with emotions” dance scene. Happy to see such big updates for the film and fingers crossed. Being impatient to finesse is one of the worst things when it comes to creation, writing. Actually yesterday I had one of those moments feeling like that, sweating and looking left and right which is an old residue. Nothing happens when you feel this way, things come natural

    I explore now this thing of phrases tons coming and I record them, it is like because I can’t write a novel yet – and I will write many in the future – bits and pieces come from possible ones which is just paradise for creativity

    Love from Crete to never boring Paris

    • Charalampos

      Dennis a late night question that just came to me… The deleted scene of Like cattle towards glow you guys did present at some point recently-ish is it the same one included in the DVD? As I told you before it is one of my favourite films so you can imagine how curious I am about footage I have not seen or any info really I wonder how many additional scenes you did have and many more things <3

  6. Steve Erickson

    I thought I posted here on Saturday, but it didn’t seem to show up. I asked whether you bought any haunted house props like the ones in the weekend’s post for the movie and if so, if you were able to keep them.

    Thanks to the rain, the weekend was a complete drag, and the weather won’t really improve till Wednesday. You’ll think “this is a tolerable amount of rain” and then get hit with a sudden downpour or wind gust. I barely went out Saturday and Sunday.

    In Artsfuse, my review of the erotic thriller/corporate drama FAIR PLAY came out today: https://artsfuse.org/280426/film-review-fair-play-alls-fowl-in-love-and-business/

  7. 2Moody

    The Halloween prop post ruled! I can’t decide which one’s my favorite, the Covid Cougher or… just about all the ones with children. I hope whoever splurges on Head Banger also grabs Pencil Stabber—I have a feeling they’re best buds that shouldn’t be separated in their gruesome activities. I’ll happy take an itemized list of complaints whenever you’re ready. I think my specialties are willing the weather to change, manifesting a message/call from someone I need to hear from, and cancelling events I’d previously agreed to but do not wish to attend. But perhaps those are just my starting points. Will save your radio curation for my next sleepless night, which, judging by this month’s temperamental sleeping patterns, should be very soon.

    I watched PGL last night! I abstained from watching anything for a couple days to be the perfect blank slate, so I really soaked up the slowness. I love when films are full of long takes because I can really indulge and familiarize myself with an actor’s face and expressions and mannerisms to the point where it feels telepathic seeing them, like I can crawl inside their thoughts. The garage of piñatas made me giggle with how it looked plopped amidst that very cold/clinical looking suburb. How’d you get the location to look and feel so empty and detached from the outside world? Is that just what French suburbs look like? The club/dancing scene was one of my favorites, it reminded me of the club scene in Morvern Callar. Oh, and earlier in the film when the other friend is drifting through the fair and watching the fireworks, that made me think of Beach Rats (I promise I don’t go into films with the goal of connecting it to other films haha but those specific scenes/films happen to be some of my favorites ever.) Really stunning uses of lighting. The end left me very melancholic, which was certainly expected knowing you were behind it. So much to chew on. Bravo to you and Zac for capturing that level of humanity and quiet expression that isn’t easy to capture, and with non-actors too! Perfectly casted, every single one of them. Which one became a rapper?

    Never on the gravitron? That’s deep. I think my never is those slingshot rides that have compilation videos where riders pass out — I feel the wind knocked out of me just watching them. I adored Radiator Springs the one time I rode it, but the queue was brutal. Right up there with Space Mountain, but a little more worth it since it had so many cool scenes I wasn’t expecting. And I do quite love a fast ride that jostles me around like that. Hahaha I love the thought of you wandering too close to haunted house scenes and getting the guards on you, which I’d think is more respectable than the phenomenon of getting guards on you for swinging at one of the scare actors for scaring you. I’d never heard of Bob & Dave’s Spooky House, but now I’m extremely curious. If you happen to visit any haunted houses this year, I do hope you feel compelled to write here about the memorable ones! You hear about the roller coaster fucker? Ripley Ann Hendrikson, who’s recently been banned from Six Flags for posting online about, well. Fucking the rollercoasters. An amusing (and ongoing?) story that seems straight out of a John Waters movie. xoxo

    https://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/this-woman-is-on-a-mission-to-fuck-every-roller-coaster-in-north-america/87448330/
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1704559526177825226.html

  8. Nick Toti

    Hi Dennis! Funny seeing this post again. Mike Warnke continues to haunt me…I still hope to someday make a movie about him.

    Speaking of movies, my new one is getting some festival attention. A handful of US festivals picked it up and two UK fests. I’m also putting the finishing touches on the long-gestating Snopek documentary, which is remains on track to be finished by 2024. I’ve somehow also found myself with a new doc that’s simultaneously very exciting and very frustrating. I can’t share too many details, but this project is threatening to take over and/or destroy my life. Say a prayer to Mike Warnke’s satanic overlord that I am able to tame this terrible beast.

    I know you’ve been busy with your own editing, but if you have any time, I emailed you a while back about some book/movie stuff. Respond if you can, but no problem if you can’t. Talk soon!

  9. Bill

    Hey Dennis, those twin boys are scary indeed. I didn’t catch your radio program at the magic time, but will look up items on the tracklist. Quite a few blasts from the pasts there.

    I’m back. The trip went very well. Both NY and Philly gigs were a lot of fun, working with great people. Finally met Steve Erickson in person over dinner. Saw Eakins’ Gross Clinic at the Philly art museum, which I’ve been wanting to see “live” for years. Turns out they also have one of my favorite Dorothea Tanning paintings. No Mutter this time, I’d just been there a few months ago, thought I’d give it a break.

    Bill

  10. Misanthrope

    Dennis, Ah, yeah, okay. Thanks for answering that. I often wonder about that. I imagine someone like a Nolan is really involved but that the superhero movie guys really aren’t. Surprises me about Scorsese and Spielberg, though. However, if their editing person is like, say, Zac to you or vice versa, then maybe it makes sense? I mean, having that same idea/vision and someone you completely trust.

    Hmm, well, here in MD, we’ve not really had much in the way of tropical storms and all those weather-related events. And we are on the coast. By the time it reaches us, it’s nothing but a regular rain storm. I was out in this one uncovered a lot because it rained that little. But hey, I’ll take it!

    Merry Halloween! 😀

  11. Cody Goodnight

    Hi Dennis.
    How are you? Man the Satanic Panic was rough. I’d argue we’re still in it, but in different ways. This character is certainly slimy. He encapsulates everything distasteful about these 80s evangelists. I watched a videotape called Deception of a Generation, where 2 grown men labeled kids toys at the time satanic. They accused the Smurfs as being representative of the KKK, He-Man blasphemous because of the name Adam, and ET homosexual. There’s also a series called Hell’s Bells, where a really unfunny man tries to decry the evils of rock music, even though a majority of the musicians he talks about are not satanic. I have a soft spot for these types of inane, silly propaganda only for how silly they are. It’s hard to believe people believed this crap, and it makes several people look very foolish. Halloween props are the best. I actually went to a Halloween store today and I saw animatronics of Leatherface, Killer Klowns from Outer Space and a Martian from Mars Attacks! I had a good time. I really need to see Spring Breakers, or anything by Korine. James Franco is just annoying to look at. I personally wouldn’t bother with The Nun. The first one looks horrid, and I don’t have hopes for this one. I am going to see the Exorcist sequel because it looks so stupid. I watched for episodes of Tales from the Crypt last night, and I listened to a lot of CAN today. Hope you have a good one, Dennis!

  12. Ollie 🎩

    mhmh. Either my computer is broken and I am possibly replying to an old post or maybe there was just a delay. Well I will find out tomorrow-that is if i catch tomorrow and dont forgot or have work.
    Today a new guy came into the program who shared a name with u and I was thinking about the animatronic post from the day prior. He’s kind of cool. He has no leg, ironically, since I said something about a legless animatronic.
    I ate at this really good Mexican restaurant here. A vegan Mexican meal is alot more tastier than meat based Mexican meal, but I guess I cant really judge. I do have a funny story a long long time ago the dark days of eating meat and our neighbor had a pig and I was eating bacon and I waved to the pig and gasped because I realized what I had did.
    my body is so terribly sore from all the working out and running and that restaurant meal made me feel so repulsive because I barely eat alot and looking in the mirror its SO hard not to feel deceived by the bodies ability to bloat from food. Yuck. Yuck.
    I think ive mentioned the book before a bit but the name “Dogbite” sounds idk kind of clique and I always liked “Scab” because its most likely the word mentioned the most in the book due to the kids inability to not put himself in harmful situations that always scar him!
    Im hoping to work this week. My manager is being kind of slow. Today felt ominous but I think tomorrow will be better if I go another lengthy run in the morning.
    Viel spaß

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