In the early 1980s, there was this really vital scene of young poets, fiction writers, and artists of different kinds in Los Angeles. I was part of it along with a number of other young LA-based writers, some of whom went on to be well known and established literary figures. I happened to be the Director of Live Programming at the time for a literary foundation and performance space in Venice called Beyond Baroque. Because I had semi-control of that space and its facilities, it became kind of our writer gang’s headquarters. We did readings there, held workshops, invited writers young and old that we really liked from NYC, San Francisco, and elsewhere to give readings, and used the foundation’s typesetting equipment to make the literary zines that most of us were editing at the time. It was an exciting and super formative era for us.
In 1982, an aspiring filmmaker named Gail Kazinsky started coming to Beyond Baroque events. She was very interested by what was going on and asked us if she could make a documentary film about the writers and our scene. I guess we said yes, and she spent a few weeks filming at Beyond Baroque and offsite as well. For whatever reason, she decided to focus on a small group of writers within our larger group. The chosen ones were me, poet Amy Gerstler, poet/artist/performer Bob Flanagan (RIP), artist/performer and Bob’s partner Sheree Rose, poet Ed Smith (RIP), writer and musician Jack Skelley, and Jocelyn Fischer who was the Director of Beyond Baroque.
In the billing for the unfinished film that resulted, ‘Fear of Poetry’, poet David Trinidad is also listed as being in the film, but he doesn’t seem to appear in the surviving footage. Strangely, the New York poet/musician Steven Hall is featured prominently in the film, I guess because he happened to be hanging out with us. So perhaps Gail mistakenly thought he was David Trinidad? Just to give a larger context for the film, some of the other members of our young local writer gang whom you might know but who didn’t end up being included for unknown reasons include writer/artist Benjamin Weissman, NPR ‘Bookworm’ host Michael Silverblatt, novelist Jim Krusoe, poet Kim Rosenfield, and others.
Gail Kazinsky put together a rough cut of the film not long after she finished shooting and showed it to the participants and friends at a gallery in downtown LA. We gave her our feedback and then she was supposedly going to finish the film. Shortly thereafter, she moved away from Los Angeles, I think maybe to Chicago. After that, we never heard from her or had any news about the film again. We assumed she had abandoned the film and eventually assumed the footage was forever lost. But, very recently, some mysterious person uploaded the rough cut in multiple parts onto youtube. The quality, as you’ll see, is quite poor. I don’t know if that’s because the footage the person used is a late generation copy or if the original footage has just aged and decayed very badly.
The writer and theorist Diarmuid Hester suggested to me the other week that it might be a good idea to showcase the rough cut of ‘Fear of Poetry’ here, and, as you see, I have done that today. I’m not sure how interesting the documentary will be for most or even any of you, especially in such an unfinished and visually challenging form. For me, and I’m sure for the other surviving writers who are featured, it documents a period in our lives as writers and people that wound up being extremely important to us. A year after this film was shot, I moved to NYC, followed shortly thereafter by Ed Smith and David Trinidad, and, because of those changes and others, the scene documented in the film ended and evolved into something else. That’s the story. You can ask me for more details if you want. In the meantime, I respectfully foist this on you today.
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p.s. Hey. ** David Ehrenstein, Good morning, David. Thanks a lot for responding to the photos. ** Jamie McMorrow, Salut, Jamie! Yes, I saw your email last night! Thank you so, so much! Yesterday was a swamp for me, but I’ll have some free time this afternoon, and I’ll check out what you sent, and see if everything is clear, and I’ll write back to you. Yeah, thanks a ton, that’s very exciting! It was very, very cool to screen the film at Silencio. Being a Lynch-designed club, the theater there is, naturally, a top notch and great space. Wednesday was basically another day of non-stop work and meetings. There are a bunch of corrections we have to make, so the work load is heavier than we had hoped, but everything is due by Tuesday so at least I can look forward to some peace, I hope, right about then. Did you get to mess with your self-revealed song? So, it’s down to detailing stuff now? Cool! Have a splendid day with enough time to do at least a little of what you really want to do. Love from here and me. ** Bernard Welt, Hi, B. I discovered the Donald B. page on FB yesterday. Wow, it’s great! Who’s doing that? There’s a bunch of photos and stuff that I’ve seen before. Fantastic work on somebody’s part. I will, of course, pass along and promo the book event, for sure. I reposted ‘The Dark Side of Disneyland’ here not very long ago, a few months. I’ll make a new, ‘welcome to the world’ post, and I’ll probably swipe some stuff from the FB page, and if you have anything to spare for the post, that would be great. Thanks so much! ** MANCY, Hi, Steven! I’m good but way overworked but good! Really excited for that new project you’re hinting at on FB. If you want a birth post here to announce it or anything, I’d be only honored to do something. ** Tosh Berman, Hi, Tosh! Thank you! ** Bear, Hi, Bear! My week has been productive. Not much else, ha ha, but productive, yes, thank you. Thank you about the Keanu post. I think he’s a pretty cool and good hearted guy, yes. That’s great, great news about finding that space/venue! Congratulations, man! What a relief! Wonderful! How was the experimental dance piece that constituted your celebration? ** Dóra Grőber, Hi! Oh, boy, yeah, I can not wait until this project is finished and sent off to the powers that be. My brain is almost empty and operating on fumes at this point. Yeah, Silencio really isn’t weird. The cool things about it are subtle. Like there’s a stage area where bands and djs play that’s kind of a reference to the red room in ‘Twin Peaks’ with red curtains and stuff, but it’s very non-offensive. I mean, it’s a nice place, comfy, it’s just not mind-blowing in any way. I hope your busy school day did whatever school can do for someone with your larger than life talents. Me, I’ll be working non-stop yet again, but Zac and I do at least have a big meeting with the producer of our new film this morning where hopefully we’ll find out how and when we can start actually working on it. Take care! ** Steevee, Hi. Very, very cool about the Terrence Davies interview! I’m the wrong person to give you advice about that question, but let’s see if others have ideas. Everyone, Steevee would love some advice about something. If you have ideas, can you help him out? Thanks! Here he is: ‘I’m interviewing Terence Davies next Tuesday. Can you think of a productive way to ask about his sense of “gay shame” and his statements in previous interviews like “I will go to my grave hating being gay?” His first three shorts already touched on how miserable being gay makes him. I’m tempted to ask him if he thinks he’d still feel the same way if he were 20 or 30 years younger.’ Interesting about the new Eno. I admit I haven’t been intrigued enough to buy recent records by him in a while, but you’ve sold me on getting that one. Cool. I hope you woke up feeling ‘up’ enough to get the busy stuff accomplished. ** _Black_Acrylic, Howdy, Ben! Thanks for the great response! ** Chilly Jay Chill, Hi, Jeff! Thank you again so much! And sorry about initially leaving out some of the photos. I must have been a little spacey when I assembled the post originally. Wow, 10 days. You should really get to know the place then. Nice. I’m way excited about the new ‘Twin Peaks’. There hasn’t been a shred of leaking info that hasn’t made it seem very, very promising. Ozick: I tried reading her, a couple of books, back in the late 80s when it seemed like a lot of smart people were reading and recommending her, and, a the time at least, it didn’t do very much for me, to be honest. Why, I don’t know. If you read her, I would be curious to know if I should try her again. And thank you so much for the venue-related emails! That place looks really good to me, and I forwarded the mail onto Zac, and I’ll be seeing him this morning. I’ll see what he thinks, and then I’ll write to you today. Really, thank you, Jeff! ** Armando, Hey, man! Really nice to see you! I’m in Paris. Wait, you’re in LA! Wow, that’s very cool. To check out? Hm, where are you staying? Amoeba Records, Museum of Jurassic Technology, MoCA or LACMA if there’s anything good there, … I’ll have to think. The house I grew up in? It’s in this city/LA suburb in the San Gabriel Valley called Arcadia. The address is 995 Hampton Road. I’m co-writing a possible TV series with Zac for Gisele Vienne to direct. It’s about a ventriloquist and her puppet. We’re getting the script and proposal ready to submit to the TV channel ARTE right now. Love and hugs right back to you! And have tons of LA fun! ** Bill, Hi, Bill. Yeah, Howard’s end was very sad. It was rough. And, yes, incredible how much things have changed. Have a great one, B! ** Okay. So, like I said up above, there’s an unfinished, in bad shape documentary about my and other young writers’ formative days in LA, if you’re interested and if you can bear the awful shape that the footage is in. See you tomorrow.
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Thank you so much for today's post! Despite the quality of the documentary I find it immensely exciting and – especially with the background you shared with us – inspiring! There must've been a very creative and motivating atmosphere there!
It's a bit of a disappointment about Silencio to be honest. Considering its prices, though, maybe it's not so bad that it's not the most mind-blowing and indispensable place ever!
Thank you, I guess I made the best of it!
That sounds really great! How did the meeting go?
I'm pretty satisfied right now because I went for a run in the morning and then wrote some for my (yet again) new blog and I've still got some drawing and such in plans for today.
You, too, take care and have as nice of a day as it's possible!!
Good day, Dennis! Hope that you've had a good Thursday and it's followed by a better Friday. I guess it's work, work, work for a few more days, huh?
Thanks for posting this film. I'm going to see if Hannah will watch it with me tonight or tomorrow. Having just watched a few minutes I kind of like the degraded quality.
You're very welcome re:the blog post and no rush in getting back – I appreciate how crazy busy you are. I hope that it's useful to you.
My song is still at the anxiety inducing stage, but that really helpful anxiety I mentioned before. It's totally in my sights, I think.
Okay. Hope you're eating and sleeping enough.
Lots of love from Glasgow and me.
Jamie
Steevee, regarding Terence Davies, he's had a really hard time of it. His family life we know from the films. His "personal life" is the heart of his novel Hallelujah Now which concerns his adventures as a S&M; submissive trying to find a dominant through the mails. No fun as I trust you can well imagine. Terence claims he hasn't had a significant relationship of any duration with anyone, and as the years go on he's become more and more embittered over that fact. Now he blames gayness itself. It's really sad. He's actually quite sweet once you scrape the barnacles off. But that's no easy task.
Give him my love.
Wow that's fascinating! Without a doubt, Beyond Baroque was the best and worst job I ever had. on the positive side, I really loved working with the poets, writers, etc – but the political side of the business is a mine-field of trouble. At the time, at least. There really needs to be a book on Beyond Baroque from the very very beginning to now. So many interesting people have gone through those doors or worked there. It should be an oral history book – and really not just focusing on one era but the whole era. I remember going there a few years ago, and not one person knew who I was – which was weird, because I spent at least six years all together – and, three years as its curator/director. And this is not a complaint against anyone working there, but for sure, the history needs to be documented.
Hey Dennis,
This is so interesting. I'm sure you've already thought about this but doesn't the rough quality of the film almost add as much as it takes away? If I can ask, what's it like to see yourself from thirty years ago on film? My dad sent me a bunch of footage of me as a kid that he'd unearthed and uploaded into the cloud for posterity and it freaked me the fuck out. There's some latent shit in there I should probably work through with a shrink but who has the time.
I've been replaying Dark Souls; do you know it? It's easily my pick of all the games of the PS3/360 console generation. You'd like it if it weren't so, so difficult: the world is rich, the mood is moody and the sense of tragedy in everything the player does is incredibly avant garde. For a big expensive game about killing dragons and demons it sure makes you ask a lot of questions about your actions and whether anything you're working so hard to accomplish is actually worthwhile. I mention it because I found something cool the other day: a bunch of unused dialogue was found in the guts of the game's code, along with the objects that would have been used in storylines that were scrapped, and it's so strange to see the tracings of a game's revision still hiding inside it. Like a savvy writer can spot places where an author has obviously (slash badly) jettisoned material and tried to seam the gap but at least it's gone. The idea of pulling a game apart to find what might have been seemed sort of romantic to me, and I thought mabye it would be for you too.
My move is proceeding rapidly. I'm at the point now where the hard work is basically done and I'm just waiting for the last week to get here so I can get rid of everything and pack up. I'm giving away books to random people. I slipped your oeuvre into a box for a skinny blonde young man with a bootie like two halves of a honeydew. Seemed fitting.
Hope you're great D, talk soon
JF
Here's a very nice piece on Terence
Great News! I've written a piece on "Like Cattle Towards Glow" that Keyframe at Fandor is going to run when the film screens in San Francisco on the 18th.
I loved watching this video so much, thank u for sharing it — all the readers were so good, i wish i could have been at those shows. When i was doing alt lit gossip i frequently would think about something u said in an interview about Beyond Baroque, how ppl started to dislike u b/c u wanted to only wanted to showcase things that u felt were top notch, & u were turning down writers who u felt didn’t make the cut…which was how i sometimes felt doing ALG…that was the time when i started getting ppl shit talking me & sending me intensely hateful tumblr messages, which just goes with the territory i guess, most of the time i just found those kind of things funny b/c the anger was so over the top & ridiculous, but i guess i felt like ‘well if it happened to Dennis i’m in good company’
the hard thing for me about ALG (when i was doing my own tumblr i felt much more like ‘this is mine, i’ll do whatever i want’) was trying to balance being inclusive & wanting to strongly encourage writers to make more stuff (especially teenage writers) vs staying honest about what kind of work genuinely engages me & what i think is most deserving of attention–that’s a really tricky thing
ur doing this for an audience & u want for them to be engaged, but i also don’t want to draw attention away from the really great writers that have put a lot of work in & are extremely talented by posting a lot of sloppy work
anyway i’ve just been thinking about those things a lot b/c i really want to get back into literary promotion next year (but only after i’ve made significant progress on my book, right now i’m only focused on my writing) & i’m thinking about what i can do better & what are my strengths & what kind of things i want to promote. Taking a long break has been really good for me–getting into really old literature has been such a deep breath of fresh air for me (i want to start promoting ancient literature too, alongside contemporary things) & my writing is going well, i feel good about it…but i’m starting to get a big chip on my shoulder again about how much cool stuff gets overlooked. that’s why sites like HTMLGiant & ALG got started in the first place, b/c NYC & the MFA world have their own insular worlds & all the freaks & weirdos don’t have enough of their own world to live in, they’re all just mostly wandering the internet on their own like strangers in a strange land, adrift in the social media ocean
did u read the Jessa Crispin interview on Vulture, about her shutting down Bookslut? It’s so good…she expressed a lot of my frustrations about things & it makes me want to fight harder. Alt Lit was at its best when it was fighting for integrity instead of attention, the integrity to do things your own way…& then things shifted to wanting to give this kind of integrity the largest possible audience it can get, & when it started to do that things got very political & cliquish, & somewhere along the way the message changed to ‘these writers are cool b/c they have a big audience’ instead of ‘these writers are cool b/c they’re doing weird, fucked up, interesting things’
Fuck this message is so long & ranting, sorry…anyway watching the video made me feel a stronger itch to get back into that type of literary promotion…it really is a lot of fun if u make it fun, & those things outweigh the other shitty things that go along with it
u sounds really busy at the moment so u might not have much time for things like this, but are there any particular literary websites these days that u check on a regular basis?
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Fascinating glimpses of a seminal scene, and I'll revisit these films more fully on my upcoming days off.
@ Tosh, that Beyond Baroque book idea is a great one! I'm sure it would be essential reading for a whole bunch of people.
Voting took place in the Scottish parliamentary elections today, and I'm hoping that the morning's results will see pro-independence groups put in a good showing. On the regional ballot I went for RISE, in the interest of having a plurality of voices in the Holyrood chambers.
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Re: DavidEhrenstein's "Percocet Mon Amour," it's probably true that Prince stayed away from alcohol and pot, but I've heard rumors that he was into psychedelic drugs and MDMA in the mid '80s.
Chilly Jay Chill, I liked your post yesterday. Good stuff.
steevee, Just go all out on that guy and be like, "Why you a self-hatin' gay, yo?!"
Dennis, I like this. I like the shitty footage. My God, you remind me of someone in that vid of you but I can't put my finger on it.
Okay, bear with me, this is going to be strange. So I met you in person in real life in, I think, 2007. So I've always known you as you are now. I see that clip and you look so unfinished or something. Is that weird? Is that weird to say? Maybe I should clarify that it's actually a compliment because I really like the "finished" version of you.
But I think I'd be like that with anyone, frankly. I think I get that feeling whenever I look at pics or vids of someone when they were younger and I didn't know them then. It's like looking a reverse ghost or something. I daresay I get that feeling when I see pics of myself when I was younger.
Okay, weirdness kind of over.
Joe Mills has got me on an ABBA kick at the moment, the fucker. But that's okay, ABBA's cool.
Oh, man, States phenoms are soooo…I don't know what they are. I'm kind of bored with it all. Same old vapid shit anymore. Though I suppose I should listen to Beyonce's newest thing because everyone's saying it's influenced by the YYY's and is a masterpiece, just the best fucking thing ever. I just wish she hadn't done it. I find her annoying as fuck.
I decided it's probably best not to ask Davies about gayness, especially since there are no gay characters in SUNSET SONG. I can't think of a way to phrase a question about it that might get an answer beyond "I hate being gay" and I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing him about the evils of gay shame. I saw SUNSET SONG again tonight, and I've got 8 or 9 questions prepared for Tuesday's interview.
I'm pretty sure the guy is completely disinterested in me, and I think it's at the heart of my current depression. I'm going to a movie at the theater where he works on Saturday. I plan to ignore him, since he's been so passive-aggressive with me, and let him make the first move, if he wants to do so. I'm afraid of creating an awkward situation at the theater, but I don't know how to completely avoid that danger.
Yeah, I just have no interest at all in the new Beyoncé.
Finished Gide's "The Counterfeiters" today. Very enjoyable. Liked the journals at the end where he goes into detail about how the novel came to be formed as he was writing it. I love those behind the scene glimpses into the process… wish more writers did that.
Hey, yeah thank you man that would be great. I don't really have any plans for the project besides posting it up maybe on NewHive which tends to be where I put GIF based stuff, so showing it here would be cool. I will keep you posted.
Planning to watch today's post tomorrow, my only truly free day this week.
_Black_Acrylic if you are out there, thanks for sharing the link to that Leckey video, wasn't aware that it was available, and it really is fantastic.
Dennis – I really enjoyed watching that. I've seen the name mentioned a lot, I know I've read about Beyond Baroque in interviews with yourself and I'm familiar with the work of some of the artists who were connected to it, but it was good to be able to see some of it in the flesh/on screen or whatever. The idea of the oral history that Tosh mentioned sounds great. Hopefully someone will have the impetus. Likewise, I'm super excited about the New Narrative book that Dodie and Kevin have been working on.
With regards to what you asked me about my job the other day: it's going really well. It's super busy and full on but a month and half into it I feel like I'm getting into the swing of it now, so I'm getting more of a handle on making sure I have time for social stuff and writing and keeping up with this wonderful place.
Oh and my forthcoming novel has artwork, which I'm over the moon about, I bow once again to Monsieur Salerno: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30115547-in-their-arms
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Dennis not sure you will catch this comment. Just woke up and about to start working.
I didn't get a chance to watch these videos yet. But it's really nice that you put things together. You are a legendary poet-figure.
Recently I was online-stalked/offline-stalked by someone I don't know. Coming to nyc, I try to respond to any emails from anyone in literary field, at least stating "thanks for the interest." But realized maybe I should not. Literally there are numerous people who don't know what they are working on/specialized in and are merely interested in expanding networks. I was observing it for a vague and distracted action for a career survival, but right now, I found it simply dilettantish.
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