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A chronology of 26 things with Clive Barker’s name on them and what he thinks about that. *

* (Halloween countdown post #2/restored)

 

 

Salome, 1973

 

Forbidden, 1975

“I made two films which went on to be put on video: Salome, which I did when I was 18, and The Forbidden, which I did when I was 19. Both short, dark pieces. Salome is seven minutes long and shot on 8mm; The Forbidden was shot on 16mm, but we printed it in negative because we didn’t have the money to print it in positive. We designed the whole thing to be shot on negative. I was quite surprised to see how many people got something out of them on video. I mean, they’re 25 years old. Basically, I saw Anger’s movies at a very active little film society in Liverpool in the sixties. Liverpool was quite a place to be in the sixties. Ginsberg had come over and called Liverpool the Haight Ashbury of England. It was a place where poets and, obviously, musicians – the Beatles and all the many bands that followed in their wake – were active. So I saw all the Warhols and the Angers and the usual suspects at that time. One of the things it made plain was that all you really needed was a camera. These were not technically very proficient pictures. There was something rather homemade about them, and that was very important to me. At a certain point in your life, you think, “Oh, now, wait a second! I can do this!” And it worked.” — CB

 

 

Rawhead Rex, 1986

“I think, generally speaking, the movie followed the beats of the screenplay. It’s just that monster movies, by and large, are made by directorial ‘oomph’ rather than what’s in the screenplay. I’d like to think the screenplay for Rawhead Rex had the possibility of having major thrills in it. I don’t think it was quite pulled off. The admirers of the movie, and actually there are quite a lot of them, like it as a sort of sixties movie made in the early eighties kind of deal. I don’t think the movie is bad, it had a lot more potential. I just don’t like it very much.” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser 1, 1987

“I think in ‘Hellraiser’, we get away with a lot of stuff which I was kind of surprised by frankly. I was surprised that the MPAA was as accepting of some of that imagery, which is very seriously taken necrophiliac imagery, as it was. Maybe they didn’t get it, I don’t know.” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser 2, 1988

“‘Hellbound’ is a sea of mythological images and allusions. There is the Frankenstein myth – the mad doctor who loses control. There’s certainly the theme of Orpheus in the underworld, the difference being that it is a daughter in search of her father as opposed to Orpheus searching for Eurydice. There is the classic imagery of the labyrinth, the Minotaur and a whole bunch of allusions to other horror movies. But I don’t think any of these things are essential to the picture. They are there for whoever wants them, but for those who want a good time on Friday night, the picture is a roller-coaster ride.” — CB

 

 

Nightbreed, 1990

“The lesson I’ve learned [making ‘Nightbreed’] is that a lot of people don’t want anything different. They don’t want you to have a unique vision. But why make movies anybody else could have done? Well, I’ve paid the consequences, but I’m unrepentant. Again and again I listened to deprecating comments about low literacy levels. There was supposedly no point showing ‘Nightbreed’ to critics because the people who see these movies don’t read reviews, in brackets, even if they can read at all! Immediately it was disqualified from serious criticism. Therefore it had to be sold to the lowest common denominator. Nobody cares for the product I, and a host of other horror directors, make. One [old] guy at Fox never saw it through because he felt it was morally reprehensible and disgusting – the two very things it’s not. Their imaginations are limited and they have a very unadventurous sense of what to do. Someone at Morgan Creek said to me, ‘You know, Clive, if you’re not careful some people are going to like the monsters.’ Talk about completely missing the point! Even the company I was making the film for couldn’t comprehend what I was trying to achieve!” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser 3, 1992

“When I first heard about Hellraiser III, it was clear the production company, Trans Atlantic Entertainment, didn’t want me on board for financial reasons. Head honcho Lawrence L. Kuppin wanted his stamp on it, not mine, and he didn’t want me hanging around. I was reasonably expensive and, frankly, I knew he wanted something cheap and nasty. So I did a deal with Miramax, not Kuppin, to remake and remodel the picture the way I wanted to. I added Terry Farrell’s bondage scene at the climax, the monstrous thing coming up through the floor in front of her, the extra computer graphics for the girl being skinned and many insert death scenes for the nightclub victims. Pete Atkins did all the extra writing. I threw in my ideas and everything was cut into the movie. The result is a pretty seamless patchwork, but a patchwork nevertheless. The best one can say about the movie is it’s abundant and there’s loads of fun stuff going on.” — CB

 

 

Candyman, 1992

“I still prefer the short story to the movie, though I am still a great fan of Candyman. Film is the collaborative art. In that case, it was a story created by Bernard Rose and myself based upon the short story. In other words, a marriage of minds.” — CB

 

 

Motorhead Hellraiser clip, 1992

“I did a Motorhead video – Motorhead versus Pinhead! And Doug was playing cards with Lemmy. It was a one-day shoot – seventeen hours – and towards the end he [Doug] came in and everybody was getting rather reverential. It was like, ‘The Lord of Hell is here’. The image carries a kind of potency. It’s almost impossible to shoot Pinhead and not have it look good. It’s one of those images – very, very cold!” — CB

 

 

Candyman 2, 1995

“Bill Condon did a great job on Candyman 2, he really did. We’re really, really happy, and he was always the person I wanted to bring into the project. We had to go the most circuitous route past Propaganda to actually get him on the job, and once they saw what he was doing they wanted to hire him for everything.” — CB

 

 

Lord of Illusions, 1995

“In Lord of Illusions, I got to do all kinds of shit that I wanted to do. The bondage stuff in there, the girl and the ape, all kinds of shit. It’s very funny because Frank Mancuso was head of MGM/UA at that time, and he didn’t like the movie at all. There was one shot of a dead child on the floor, and he said, ‘This shot will never appear in an MGM/UA movie.’ As it turns out, it did, because I took it out, and then when he wasn’t looking, I put it back in. I knew he’d never bother to see the film again.” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser 4, 1996

“Hellraiser 4 is not very good. I think they are making another one. Oh God!” — CB

 

 

Candyman 3, 1999

“Candyman 3, which I had nothing to do with, was shown to me a couple of weeks ago. I declined to put my name on it. I really don’t think I contributed anything to its creation and it seems entirely phony to plunk your name on it, take the money and run. I didn’t think it was a badly created movie, I just didn’t think it had anything to do with the mythology I originally created. I would have felt like a big old fake.” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser 5, 2000

“Hellraiser 5 is terrible. It pains me to say things like that because nobody sets out in the morning to make a bad movie but you know these guys sent me a script and I said if you want me involved ask me let’s do a deal and get into business, but I really don’t think this works right now (talking about the script). They said we really don’t want your opinion on it we are going to make the movie. So they went and made the movie, and it is just an abomination. I want to actively go on record as saying I warn people away from the movie. It’s really terrible and it’s shockingly bad, and should never have been made.” — CB

 

 

Hellbound: Hellraiser 2, 2000

“Excruciating. Not in the good way.” — CB

 

 

Undying, video game, 2001

“In a way, [Undying] does go back a bit to the Books Of Blood, the feelings I had when I wrote those books, which was that there were no rules. There are some things in this game that are just outrageous. Ambrose, particularly in his transformed state, is really just disgusting. I also think, if you look at this game, it’s designed like a movie, it feels like a movie. It’s not brightly colored like a Pokemon game, it has sepias and grays and occasionally eruptions of red.” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser 7, 2002

“We show it to Clive at his house here in LA and Clive loves it. He thinks it’s the best one since II. He gives us some notes on some added shots and inserts he thinks will help, mostly stuff in the third act of the film. At first we get a call from the exec at Dimension on the project and he screams at us for letting Clive see it. But five minutes later we get another call from a higher exec who just spoke to Clive and everything’s cool. They’re thrilled, and relieved, that he liked it. He wanted to give us a nice blurb on the box but he couldn’t for some contractual reasons.” — Rick Bota, the director of ‘H7’

 

 

Hellraiser 8, 2005

“Haven’t seen it.” — CB

 

Hellraiser 9, 2005

“Doug Bradley as Pinhead delivers the goods as per usual, and there are some great gore scenes. Throw in a few clever plot twists and devices and you have yourself a mindless quick little romp. The only problem being that the Hellraiser series has always been a fairly cerebral experience. Again, the feel of the series is just not there. Something is clearly missing from the formula.” — review @ Dread Central

 

 

Demonik, video game, 2006

“It was never released for good reasons” — CB

 

 

Hellraiser: Prophecy, 2006

“Oh, you know, fans made it. Fans are sweet. They’re sweet.” — CB

 

 

Plague, 2006

“Plague was a screw-up. I trusted the director and I wasn’t going to do to Hal what had been done to me by interfering producers over the years; I had pretty much decided I would let him have his way and if we had to have an argument it would be in the cutting-room about the way the picture was cut – so he shoots the picture and then is absent from the cutting-room most of the time. He did a tough job on a very tough schedule but there were things that I begged for at the end, for the producers to throw in some extra money towards Hal so that he could go back and do a couple of extra days’ shooting but they shook their heads and that was the end of that. It is not a movie I am pleased with or proud of – it feels compromised and Hal got in his car and drove away before the picture was even locked” — CB

 

 

Valerie on the Stairs, 2006

“This is a joke – Mick finds this incredibly funny – I wrote a 45-page closely-typed treatment for a 60-page script, so Mick said it was the easiest job he ever had in his life! It’s a story I’ve wanted to write for a very long time and suddenly I realised, ‘Ah, this is the place to put it.’ It’s a very, very heterosexual story, centred around an obscure object’s desire for this exquisite woman, Valerie” — CB

 

 

Haeckel’s Tale, 2006

“It was, if you’ll excuse my French, fucking marvellous. Haeckel’s Tale is a story that I’m very proud of, and Roger Corman did a magnificent job directing it, particularly since it was a period piece and the FX are amazing. It’s pretty intense stuff.” — CB

 

 

Jericho, video game, 2007

“I’m sure I’m a pain in the arse and I’m sure I’m a difficult man to please but on the other hand I think most people that are looking at the material right now are damned pleased they went that extra mile with it… I had right of veto for the music and in March of last year I got a version of the game with music on it, music that I’d never heard before or been asked to hear, or whatever. I went ape shit. Music is such an important part of an experience and this stuff was like going back to gay disco from 1982, which went down like a lead balloon. I knew what the music was. I knew what I wanted it to be. I even had a composer in mind, Chris Velasco, who ended up doing the music and did a fucking fantastic job. It really irritated me that somebody had tried to whisk this by me without my being told. I have my name on this game and I’m very proud of it and I’d have done whatever I needed to do and if that means being a pain in the ass – live with it bitch!” — CB

 

 

Midnight Meat Train, 2008

“[Midnight Meat Train] isn’t special effects driven, but there are a lot of effects in the final reel – physical effects, not CGI effects. When they come up, they’ve got to be great, and Patrick [Tatopoulous] has a handle on all that… I’m seeing a lot of what I’ll call ‘soft horror’ around and not a lot of ‘hard horror’ – certainly not from American [filmmakers]. There’s a lot of PG-13s and ghost/apparition kind of stuff. I’ve always liked my horror harder and I thought this was a good time to say, ‘Hey, we’ve got this body of stories, let’s bring a different sensibility to horror audiences.’ “ — CB

 

 

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p.s. Hey. As mentioned the other day, tomorrow I’m flying to Baltimore for a few days for a screening of ‘Room Temperature’ (see: right column for details). The blog will be taking a short vacation while I’m gone. It will return to action next Wednesday. ** Carsten, Hey. She’s sadly unknown. But the blog is doing its little part to help change that. We’re kind of expecting a small, unremarkable town (Hof), but that’s ok. Hopefully we’ll spend our time at the festival. I can’t even doze on planes, although the flight back to Paris from Baltimore is an all-night nightmare, so maybe I’ll find a way. I have a query into a BlazeVox author friend, but no news yet. Hang in there in the meantime. ** Dominik, Hi!!! Happy best holiday season absolutely ever to you! Young Silco is very more appealing than his adult incarnation. Poor kid. Love making Clive Barker rediscover his youthful mojo, G. ** Jack Skelley, Nice idea, although I have another assignment in mind for next time. Watch your email. Wow, you’re hitting the music there. I’ve never seen any of those folks live. Sounds nice. I remember the Raveonettes being fun. I thought they were defunct. I get Pulp’s appeal, but I’ve never crushed out on them. LCD Soundsystem, you know, whatever, fun, I guess. I’ve never heard Ty Segal. Weird, no? I was planning to see Factory Floor here, but it’s on the night I get back from Baltimore, and I’ll be dead in my bed. xo, DeniParis. ** Tosh Berman, Oh, shit. Acid reflux is no fun to put it mildly. Let’s see, I took a ton of Mylanta in chewable pill and liquid form. I did yoga to strengthen my stomach muscles. I had to drastically change my diet for a long time, and I permanently had to give up onions and hot sauce and other delicious things. They must have more sophisticated cures by now. Really good luck, Tosh. Mine took quite a while to fade out, but it did. ** Misanthrope, I’m assuming we’ll do a Q&A because that’s kind of what they always do when the filmmakers are in attendance, but they haven’t mentioned anything to us yet. ** PL, Hi there. It has been a while. Great to see you. I’m okay, but I seem to be coming down with a very ill-timed head cold given my imminent traveling, but what can one do. I did a Doris Wishman post here not too long ago. Nice that you and Pedro are communicating. Oh, hm, I don’t actually know about publishers who do illustrated books. I’ll have to think a bit and investigate. But I will. It’ll just take me until I’m back next week. I’ll download your portfolio in the meantime. Thanks! I’m sure there’s a route. Take care, P. ** Måns BT, Måns, old chum, hey there! I love roamy festivals like that. There’s a big annual experimental film festival here that does that. It’s like a treasure hunt. Wow, very cool about the podcast mention. I’ll google Lakidoris and see what I can find. Sweet, thanks for telling me, pal. The Stockholm film people: long story very short: Our producer was preventing us from setting up European screenings for a while because he wanted some kind of big ‘International Premiere’ event to happen first, so everything got waylaid, but that’s a done deal finally. I’m going to do everything in my power to write to the Stockholm people today and greatly apologise and see if they’re still down for showing the film, which would have to be in January at this point because the film is really booked up until then. Hopefully they’ll be okay with that. I think you’re cc’ed on my emails with them, so you’ll see. Zac and I really want to show the film there, so hopefully they aren’t fed up with us. Love and kisses in triplicate back to you! ** Uday, Oh, shit. No one else mentioned the image loading issue, so maybe your computer was just temporarily lazy yesterday, I hope? Sorry you’ve been unwell, but respect on your having exploited that artistically. I’m getting sick today myself, but it’s a cold, and they don’t tend to be very muse-like in my experience. Your film club sounds like plenty of fun. Where do you want to lead them? Sébastien Roch, no, I don’t know his stuff. ‘Just kinda fine’ … dare I take the plunge? ** Steeqhen, Hi, Steeqhen. She’s good. It’s good. Clothes get moldy? Wait, okay, I guess they can. Can that kind of mold make you sick? I’ve accidentally eaten moldly cheese and lived, but that’s probably different? I don’t know. Sounds like a good pitch to me. I hope they bite. ** Mark Stephens, Hey, Mark! Miss you, man. Zac and I will be there in December to show ‘Room Temperature’ again — you should come — and we can sort out a meet up then for sure. Love to you, old friend. And to Julie, natch. ** Hugo, Right, that mansion video. Who in the world thought that one up. I don’t even own my apartment. All I own is an old car and bunch of books and records. Oh, wow, my theme park would put Georgia at the center of the known world, I swear. ** HaRpEr //, ‘Olga’s House of Shame’, noted. Nice title. Neo post-rock: Is that like Kneecap and … what’s their name, those two older Irish guys … ? That seems true about literature defying the art tag more than films or music. Strange. I guess people have always had a hard time seeing language as an art form. Or solely language. People are so into being social and talking in shorthand now, and books tend to inspire and even require full sentences and paragraphs, except for, like, ‘You read Ocean Vuong?’ ‘Yeah.’ ‘So good.’ ‘Yeah.’ ** Eric C., It’s a beaut: Paris. Bob Mould was maybe going to do the score for that terrible ‘Frisk’ film, but he ultimately declined, and the score was by Coil and Lee Ranaldo. No, I never saw Husker Du live, which is really strange, and I don’t why that never happened. I didn’t see Bob live until Sugar. Well, my all-time favorite film is Bresson’s ‘The Devil, Probably’, so you could start there maybe if you can find it. Other especially great or favorites of mine: ‘Mouchette’, ‘Four Nights of a Dreamer’, ‘Lancelot du Lac’, … I could go on. ** Stil, I’m excited now too. I’ll have to wait until I’m back from Baltimore unless they’re in-flight entertainment, which is not impossible. I love the cowboy zine if I didn’t already say so. ‘Twin Peaks’ meets Richard Siken sounds really strange and promising. Excited about your experimental film project, of course. Do you have total freedom? Do they give you equipment and stuff? ** DonW, Howdy, Don! Her films are hard to see in full. She’s one of those filmmakers who wants them to be projected, understandably, but it does make things tough. ‘Beyond Utopia,’ I’ll see if I can find that. I’m way down for Qs, of course. I’ll be back in the saddle if probably a little hazy in the brainpan on Wednesday. Take care. ** adrian, Bonjour adrien! Happy that I’m not the only busy one. What’s your busyness? At the moment, the only screening up your way is in Ghent on November 1st, but there’s a distinct possibility of showing the film in Rotterdam that we are currently pursuing, so hopefully that’ll happen. Beautiful-est day to you! ** Okay. Halloween’s back in the form of a restored thingeroony about Mr. Clive Barker and his varying stuff. Enjoy, and I’ll see you back here come Wednesday.

Holly Fisher’s Day

 

‘Holly Fisher has been active since the mid-sixties as an independent filmmaker, teacher, and editor of documentaries, including the 1989 Academy Award Nominee Who Killed Vincent Chin? Her personal works (director, camera, editor) have been screened in museums and film festivals worldwide, including The Museum of Modern Art, two Whitney Museum Biennials, and Centre Pompidou. Her first documentary Watermen, co-made with filmmaker Romas V Slezas in 1968, recently resurfaced to great acclaim when recently screened on Maryland Public TV and at The Environmental Film Festival in Washington, DC. Fisher’s first solo feature Bullets for Breakfast, made via JK optical printing of layers of S8:16mm, received “Best Experimental Film” at the Ann Arbor Film Festival, 1992. Two of her works have had world-premiers at The Berlin International Film Festival, including Bullets for Breakfast and her first poetic documentary concerning Burma, Kalama Sutta: Seeing is Believing, in 2001.

‘With an on-going interest in human rights, perception, and media, Fisher followed with a second Burma project –– Deafening Silence (118 minutes, 2012), in which she travels to The Goldenland’s eastern frontier, on foot and under-cover with guerrilla soldiers, to document life in a village of internally displaced ethnic Karen people. A Question of Sunlight, links 9/11 with the holocaust via ‘the telling of memories’ by NYC artist José Urbach, who was witness to both.

‘Holly Fisher was invited by the influential contemporary photographer Peter Lindbergh to collaborate on the film Everywhere at Once (final cut 2010). The film incorporates Lindbergh’s photographs with clips from Tony Richardson’s film Mademoiselle (1966), starring Jeanne Moreau. It premiered in the Avant-première program at the Cannes Film Festival in 2007.

‘Currently Fisher is expanding into video installation and large-format digital prints, in preparation for her first gallery exhibition, fall 2014. Rejecting strategies of agit-prop, Fisher’s films are open-ended essays, both long-form and short, in which she fuses linear narrative with non-linear and increasingly layered and cyclic structures, as a way to position the viewer at the subject/center of the work as it unfolds –– in pursuit of presence, or ’empowerment,’ for want of a better word.’ — Folkstreams

 

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Further

Holly Fisher Website
Holly Fisher @ instagram
Holly Fisher @ IMDb
Holly Fisher @ Filmmakers Cooperative
Holly Fisher @ Experimental Cinema
Holly Fisher @ RE:VOIR
Deafening Silence with Holly Fisher
Thickening the Plot : ‘Bullets for Breakfast’
Fisher’s Rushlight and Gaine’s #3, Great Neck and Edge
Holly Fisher: Kalama Sutta: Seeing is believing
Holly Fisher @ MUBI
Essays and reviews of Holly Fisher’s films

 

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Extras


Holly Fisher, Everywhere At Once , Tribeca Film Festival


Conversation w/ Holly Fisher, Maung Zarni, Pip Chodorov

 

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Interview

 

On March 23rd independent filmmaker Holly Fisher visited UnionDocs to show Deafening Silence, her poetic documentary about life under Burma’s brutal military dictatorship. Following the screening, she spoke with filmmaker John Gianvito (Profit Motive and the Whispering Wind (2006) and Far from Vietnam (2012)) about the complexity of the present situation in Burma.

Holly Fisher: Burmese leaders had launched a big campaign for tourism and I understood that if I was to go to there, any image that I brought back was essentially for the junta if I didn’t work behind my own image. They had sanitized all the tourist spots and were controlling where you could and couldn’t go.

I didn’t have any tour guide. My idea was just to go and come back with a bed of images that I would then work through. I spent five years trying to understand what was going on.

During the last trip, in 2003, I took two cameras and trained one of the Karen guys who came and hiked with us.

I was interested in what I saw as a sort of sadomasochistic situation between the junta and the population, which is some kind of diabolical marriage. I wanted to see if I could break it apart and work it towards something more ambiguous, more subtle, less white and black.

John Gianvito: Part of what you have done here is to respect that complexity of the Burmese situation, and it is reflected in the form of the film. It doesn’t seem to provide all the answers. It gives a prismatic way of journeying through some measure of what one sees as an outsider travelling. I heard you got a false ID and pretended to be a tour guide making little movies to develop tourism.

HF: When I got out of college I made a film with a partner that attempted to take over the army corps of engineers who were destroying a wild river in Florida. After making that film I got interested in issues such as: can you change minds with films and how? I got interested in the relationship of image to audience and how to put images together in a way that would make you implicit to the situation, not a consumer of it. I worked with a lot of layerings, very abstract or silent multiple projections.

My first Burma work was made at a period where I was going in and out of my own work, working as an editor for others.

One thing I’ve learned is you can either manipulate the audience to think what you want them to think or you can work to invite them to think. I spent years embarrassed by my own work. I knew what I wasn’t doing, but I didn’t know what I was trying to do. I’m only now beginning to see.

I’m interested in complexity. There is a pleasure in ambiguity, in not knowing. I’ve been finding an organic way of structuring, without a beginning, a middle, or an end. So you could see it as a film about Burma or you can see it as a sort of tapestry… even if I don’t like that word.

JG : I think this film is what I could call a utilitarian film, a film that re-sensitizes us to things we may already know, but where we need constant reminders. This movie is about Burma but not only. When I think about the question of the representation, it makes me think about Harun Farocki’s Inextinguishable Fire (1969), a 20-minute film about the manufacture of napalm made in the late 60s. There was a moving sequence where he talks directly at the camera about the fact that if he actually showed these images, what would happen is that it would hurt our feelings, and you would close your eyes, and eventually you would close your heart. This is not what he want to have happened—“when we show you pictures of napalm victims, you’ll shut your eyes. Then you’ll close them to the memory. And then you’ll close your eyes to the facts.” Then he takes a cigarette and burns his arm.

The testimony you hear in Deafening Silence and the shifting into the most lush, seemingly tranquil [scenery], invites tourists to the landscape underneath what you know. I find it a very potent approach on how to bring this knowledge.

HF: The image of the dead woman I used—that I didn’t use in my first film—makes me want to raise the question of using images like this. I did it by naming the cameraman who shot it: “to Rambo’s sister.”

I was pretty sure you would start to wonder what happened to her, when you saw that title, so you would weave that into the rest of the film. You are waiting for what’s going to happen. I wanted to conflate her with Aung San Suu Kyi. I wanted to set up a kind of complex hovering where these two women aren’t really in the film, but are in your mind. What you think you know about them, what you imagine, what could happen.

JG: When you talk about war, you have to talk about men. I’m referring to Susan Sontag’s book. It is always men who make the war, always men who like to go to war. I recently showed my class a documentary, The Invisible War (2012), about sexual violence in the military, and it lead to a discussion about how legal systems are. It doesn’t direct its anger towards men, but all of these rapes are always by men.

That was going through my head as I was journeying through the film again and thinking about the opening to this innocent young girl. If she sees this film later, what is it going to mean to her?

HF: In many advocacy films, we say the viewer is a consumer, that there is a narrative.

In what I’m doing, there is no story you can give yourself over to. I don’t allow you to identify with some character who is going to lead you through the film. You are more on your own and you have to piece together what it means and doesn’t mean.

JG: When we talk about a form such as this, that doesn’t have the archetypical beginning, middle, and end, you have to find your way. There is something that I say in relationship to my own movies, and I’m curious if you feel similarly. I often quote the filmmakers Jean-Marie Straub and Daniele Huillet: “we make our films so that people can walk out of them.”

For him there is a fascism about traditional, orthodox narrative forms that are all about keeping you in your seats, all about your eyes. He speaks about the desire to create a more democratic open form—take a look, but I’m not going to force you to stay.

HF: I made up the entire project to force me to use video. I learned on film, celluloid, so I designed this project to learn how to use new types of media and the internet. I’m always interested in multiple points of view, and where films are coming from. I’m also intrigued about how the existence of the internet changes how we live on the planet.

JG: What makes it personal is that you are always sensitive to your camera work and how you are exploring the situation, whether it’s at home or elsewhere. You could have set it up on a tripod, you could have downloaded the youtube clips neatly. People who see it quickly must think it’s amateurish, but in fact it is one of the values of how you’ve approached something.

HF: The thing that interests me in all the types of archival videos is how they are shot, how they are framed, and the person who narrates. They make themselves the center of their stories. I like to contrast that with my own funky way of doing things. The film is really made up of many little films.

 

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17 of Holly Fisher’s 33 films

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softshoe for bartok (2021)
‘This project is a film/video re-imaging of my 16mm film s o f t s h o e from 1987, made via optical printer from S8 film imagery shot ten years earlier on an east-west trip across Europe; using home-movies as the original source, this work is a cross/weave, or perhaps more a chance-encounter, with images from rural Romania, traces from the contemporary art exhibit documenta 6, Kassel, Germany, and a ride on the iconic escalator of the Centre Pompidou, Paris. Three decades later and with the advent of multi-track video I revisited this film, using it now as template.’ — HF

Watch an excerpt here

 

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b e d e v i l e d (aka simoom) (2019)
‘Dragon bones and snakes embracing; skeletons in underwear, flying shoes and bug-eyed aliens are among the characters that comprise the annual NYC Halloween Parade — filmed and transformed into a subjective extra-terrestrial dreamscape. Fragmented, cyclic, and in continual flux, b e d e v i l e d is a collage in motion, grounded within a visible construct of open and ever-shifting frames. From early furtive sketches I’ve reworked my original Hi-8 video into a layered weave of images cut to phase between the imaginary and ‘reality’ — from Day of the Dead spectacle to clocks at play with light bulbs. The haunting music of avant-garde composer Lois V Vierk is performed by cellist Theodore Mook.’ — HK

Watch an excerpt here

 

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thin/ice (2019)
‘“Snow & Reeds” – 1st sketch, edited from a single day of filming with iPhone, Feb 2014. Note child’s wooden bed frame half-submerged in ice, at 4:29 min.

‘Between 2013 and 2016, I filmed around this pond daily whenever possible–with iPhone and/or HD camera, being sure to always include this rotting wood bed frame, regardless of time, light, or weather. Footage is material for a full-scale immersive installation project, for completion in 2019.’ — HF

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ruffled feathers (2016)
‘Made as a variation of Trio en Rose (S.8 video original material filmed with a consumer camera in Brittany, 2006), Ruffled Feathers is a playful, intricate, and multi-layered dance piece—in which the dancers are seagulls, walking about on the pink granite rocks of the Côte d’Amour. As inTrio en Rose, my focus is on their skinny legs, knobby knees, and wide flat feet, coupled with a cheeky fearlessness.

‘The music piece IO by contemporary composer Lois V Vierk is the same used in Trio en Rose (also excerpted in A Question of Sunlight). Seagulls, layered glissandi, and cross/cut editing between frames interplay once more in counterpoint. But with additional tempo variations, more video layers and a muted palette of shifting colors, Ruffled Feathers has a different and decidedly darker feel even within the ironic formality that characterizes both works.’ — HF

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a question of sunlight (2015)
‘Recorded in the shadow of the Trade Towers only months after their collapse, A Question of Sunlight links 9/11 with the Holocaust, via “the telling of memories” by visual artist José Urbach, witness to both. José speaks almost magically, from childhood to the present, and anywhere in between. He was a Polish child born into the Holocaust, and as he watched the first plane smash into The World Trade Center from his kitchen window in lower Manhattan, he had a radical flashback to his earliest childhood memories. From a child’s-eye view he recalls former times, other windows … like the bombing of the Polish airport that triggered the start of World War II. (An uncanny irony is that he was in his mother’s belly that day.)

‘Unique to José’s telling is his desire to “actualize” his memories, to make them present and timely. He tells his stories vividly as if they were movies, in a continuous search for insight within the veils of memory, which still haunt him. This unsettling vacuum between past and future is magnified as I lace my personal and found imagery within Urbach’s narrative–curtains flying out Paris windows, “Shock & Awe” on airport TV, rare footage by Joris Ivens from the seminal East German film Die Windrose–for resonance, or “just to lend a breath of air …”’ — HF

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deafening silence (2012)
Deafening Silence is a fusion of beauty and terror, observation and anger, roving visuals and intimate stories that are funny, contemplative, or horrific–a subjective, layered depiction of Burma under brutal military dictatorship. My first trip was legal, shooting video as a fake tour guide doing research. The next was on foot, under-cover with ethnic Karen guerrillas, to film internal exiles surviving in a free-fire jungle war zone.

‘Colonial archival imagery and clips from YouTube are woven within this tapestry of fragments, often in ironic counterpoint, and always to pierce the chokehold of censorship. This is a living history of a country arrested in time, a hybrid documentary focusing on ethnic genocide but with constant poetic resonance and a rich multiplicity of references to history and popular culture.’ — Hank Heifetz and Holly Fisher

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w/ Peter Lindbergh Everywhere at Once (2010)
‘In Everywhere at Once renowned photographer Peter Lindbergh and experimental filmmaker Holly Fisher collaborate to weave together a tapestry of images, incorporating Lindbergh’s still pictures with clips from the Tony Richardson film Mademoiselle (1966), starring Jeanne Moreau. The photographs are animated through a re-filming process to create a flow of moving images that are intercut with passages from the movie. Iconic actress Jeanne Moreau, using a text by American poet Kimiko Hahn, narrates the diary-like fragments of memories and recollections in the first person. The haunting music by Lois V Vierk accentuates the fleeting quality of these fragments of dreams and memories. As with Fisher’s other experimental feature films, Everywhere at Once exists on the dividing line between fiction and documentary. Rather than offering a linear narrative, threads of the story move forward and are interrupted, bending back upon themselves in space and time, resolving into a series of subjective associations. The film might be read as a biography of Moreau’s own life, as a fictional discourse on the protagonist’s emerging sense of selfhood, or as a humanist meditation about childhood, youth, and old age. Whatever the viewer’s interpretation may be, the film functions most deeply on the level of an intensely subjective rumination on perception. This positions Everywhere at Once squarely in the tradition of such avant-garde French New Wave classics as Hiroshima, Mon Amour (1959), Last Year at Marienbad (1961), and La Jetée (1962).’ — Jon Gartenberg

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kalama sutta: seeing is believing (2002)
‘New York-based experimental filmmaker Holly Fisher, known for a series of conceptually complex and visually elegant films, studies Burma in her latest project, Kalama Sutta, moving beyond picturesque travel images to examine the country’s political upheaval and oppression. … Fisher creates a dense patchwork of information that eschews a single perspective. Tales of torture and political struggle against the military dictatorship contrast with garish Web visuals and shots of the country’s beautiful landscape. Indeed, Fisher structures the film around this dichotomy, playing off the invitation to foreign tourists to visit Burma. Seeing is Believing is the hypocritical entreaty, as assertion deftly undermined by Fisher’s collection of personal testimony from exiled activists. The film’s title comes from the Buddhist Charter on Free Inquiry, which says we should doubt appearances. Fisher does just that with her poetic essay, refuting the propaganda of a government bent on attracting tourists while brutalizing its people.’ — Holly Willis, LA Weekly

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bullets for breakfast (1992)
‘Images from My Darling Clementine form the basis for thought-provoking interpretation in Fisher’s Bullets for Breakfast. Combining stunning optical printing with a dense weaving of poetry, storytelling, and visual narrative, Fisher’s film explores the violent underside of another frontier—gender relations. Juxtaposing a pulp-western writer with a feminist poet, or women working at a herring smokehouse with those depicted in paintings by European Masters, Fisher reorders stories and images like musical motifs. A captivating hybrid of experimental and documentary technique, Bullets for Breakfast mines the depths of subjectivity, blurring the lines between myth and reality, fact and fiction.’ — Jon Stout

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s o f t s h o e (1987)
‘Optical printing links East with West within a mosaic of looped, layered and shifting images filmed originally on Super 8 while on a (train/car/thumb) trip across Europe in 1978. Swinging cow udders, woman sweeping, farm woman walking, nuns chanting, Nude Descending, voices in a bread shop, Dachau and other artworks from Documenta 7, riding the escalator of the Centre Pompidou, etc. are layered in overlapping, shifting, and repetitive frame-clusters pulled from Super 8 footage filmed on a trip that began in Bucharest and ended in Paris. Disparate elements are combined and manipulated to construct a lyrical work about walking, history, and memory.’ — HF

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rushlight (aka here today gone tomorrow) (1984)
Rushlight (aka Here Today Gone Tomorrow) was made from a single, three minute roll of Super 8 footage shot over one day of stop/start driving through the Maramures folk district of Romania. I reworked this footage via JK Optical Printer using a larger than normal film gate designed (by myself) to allow the re-filming and hence layering of frame clusters as well as single frames.

‘This project explores an intersection between transition and memory (passing time, times past, arrested in time, what lies ahead) through looping, stretching, and layering of images filmed originally while driving through this unique preserve of Romanian culture. A silent, visual sketchbook of sorts, this work explores the repetitive, cyclical structuring of this Super 8 footage developed over several years of working with a JK Printer. The result is an open and meditative work around the subject of “passage.”’ — HF

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this is montage (1978)
‘Inspired by a passage from Sergei Eisenstein’s Film Form, this film explores relationships between film and language while playfully challenging the Russian filmmaker’s theory of film montage … and thus lies between a wink and a nod to the master. Also a bit of tongue-in-cheek to myself as aspiring film studies student: had I been a good typist I very likely would never have become a filmmaker.’ — HF

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chickenstew (1978)
‘Re-enactment of a mellow evening with friends, in which a static camera, synchronous sound, a shiny cook pot, and an old wood stove conspire in a game of hide-and-seek with the viewer—involving film illusion and point-of-view. A single strand of 16mm and/or a watched pot. …’ — HF

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from the ladies (1977)
‘Filmed in the multiple-mirrored women’s powder room of the NYC Holiday Inn: A space designed exclusively for me (being a woman), which seemed simultaneously seductive and vulgar, and in which the most visible object was myself looking at myself with Bolex-in-hand. Looking at From the Ladies is an orchestration of tensions from this play between myself as filmmaker subject, object, and woman. Filmmaker at play with the gaze, so to speak.

‘Shooting begins with slow pans in wide sweeping arcs that capture anyone walking through. Gradually the shooting tightens, culminating in a passage of single-frame bursts reflected in the many mirrors. Space is transformed into an abstract swirl of motion and emotion. Tempo is the result of shot duration, as I flirt with real and reflected images, active and passive moments, making seamless shifts between subjectivity and abstraction. The sound track layers random bathroom sounds with looped voices of hotel cleaning women plus intermittent fragments from conversations occurring in the ladies room.’ — HF

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apple summer (1974)
‘Camping in Down East, Maine with artist friends evolved into a spurt-framed portrait of artist Donn Moulton. Footage of Moulton in Maine, his studio in Cambridge, and installation of his fiberglass apple paintings at Kornblee Gallery, NYC, is intercut with edited-in-camera expressionistic sequences from our camping trip.

‘The project became a playful exploration of my own way of working, via voice-over conversations between Moulton and myself on the subject of art, film, and commitment. The rough-edged, cross-cut, free-wheeling form reflects ways in which my early, highly intuitive notions of art-making differed from Moulton’s. It’s in making this film that I learned to exploit my mistakes and think with my hands.’ — HF

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subway (1968)
Subway is a subterranean passage that lies somewhere between fiction and diary, with literal and psychological overtones from the late ’60s. Framed within a ride on the Harvard/Ashmont Subway Line at rush hour–as the train fills and then empties, moving further from downtown Boston while I direct my 7-year-old nephew, Ben, to stand and look around, sit, get off, watch himself depart, get back on, and walk away–intercut with various scenes from my on-going (Bolex) film diary; seagulls circling, anti-war street demonstration past Playboy Club in downtown Boston, large dogs leaping into saltwater, crowd on escalator, Ben’s image in surveillance camera, twilight through half-built, backlit Coop City under construction…

‘The impulse for multiple layering, juxtaposition and other interplay of disparate imagery seemed to come naturally, even after having spent some years co-making documentary films. At the same time this film comes closer to a narrative structure than anything I’ve made before or since, with the exception of PSSSHT! — HF

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psssht! (1968)
‘The dangers of aerosol sprays to the ozone layer were all over the news in the late ’60s, right up there with fierce anti-Vietnam War sentiment, identity politics, and a burgeoning environmental movement launched by Rachel Carlson’s Silent Spring. Within this context, an advert for a “feminine crotch spray” inspired the making of PSSSHT! — HF

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p.s. Hey. ** Jack Skelley, Hey, J. Sweet! Let me … Everyone, Valuable alert from Mr. Jack Skelley. Hence, ‘ A new anthology just published, edited by Blake Butler (author of ‘Molly’) & Ken Bauman. Title is YOU MAY NOW FAIL TO DESTROY ME. it includes new prose by me, plus peeps and perps such as Jim Ruland, Megan Boyle, Logan Berry, Charlene Elsby, Gabriel Hart. Subtitle is AMERICAN WRITERS ON THEIR MOST DANGEROUS BELIEFS, and the whole – as I read thru it – is subversively apt for our times. My piece is DAS NEUROKAPITAL. There’s a link to order PDF or paperback.’ I can’t believe I’ve never been to El Cid even though it’s legendary and I could walk there from my LA pad if I was feeling sprightly. Soon assuming there is a soon. Dennisync Cooperink ** Dominik, Hi!!! Silco is scary looking. But I couldn’t find his younger incarnation. Be careful. I wanted to slice open one of love’s arteries and drink until he was a deflated white balloon, but that’s where he finally drew the line, G. ** _Black_Acrylic, Congrats on getting that under your belt or I guess ears. Maybe I’ll sample it. Pynchon going viral is only a good thing, especially in the midst of the endless bullshit spouting better known as now. ** Malik, Oh, thanks! Everyone, Malik hooks us up with a great seeming lit zine called God’s Cruel Joke that I at least didn’t know about before. And if you hit this link, you’ll go straight to three poems by Malik, which is an obvious big bonus. Great, I look forward to it (seeing you). I was in Baltimore once before, or, wait, twice, to do bookstore readings, but it’s been decades, and I don’t remember the place at all, so it’s going to be an adventure. ** julian, I’ve come across a few unexpected people I know in my escort and/or slave searching, but in those cases I’ve left them there in peace. Huh, well, I only have one email address, so that must be it. I’m pretty sure Chris would let us release the ‘Andre’ version of the song. Maybe as a single. Huh. I guess I would need to ask Charlie/’Andre’. ** Eric C., Hey. Okay, August/September. It might be kind of hot here then, but then Paris has had two mild summers in a row, so maybe that’ll stick. Anyway, Paris is great whenever. I’ll probably be here. Everyone else in Paris tends to leave for the provinces in August, but not me. ** Misanthrope, Is Baltimore notorious for its lack of parking? Dude, if you guys can and want to, sweet, and otherwise we’ll converge in the Apple before hopefully too long. ** Carsten, Howdy. I’m not sure what to expect with the Hof festival. I have no idea who’s around there, and the festival is showing the film without German subtitles, which seems odd. It’s kind of a crapshoot. I can’t sleep on planes even when I’m desperate to sleep. I don’t know why. I just can’t relax sufficiently on planes. So I just drink as much of the horrible plane coffee as I can. I don’t know the people who do BlazeVox, no. I have friends who’ve published with them, and I’ll try to remember what their experiences were like. Very lengthy response times is sadly de rigour, as I’m sure you’re finding out. ** Steve, Daddies are massive amongst that crowd. Interesting that such self-styled sex objects have such a sentimental streak. True, it’s getting cold here, and I’m guessing the mice will be back any minute. Good luck with the bank arrangements. Good to get that done at least, I guess. ** HaRpEr //, I remember when the world was a more fair place and Queer Neo-Nazis were so novel that they could be mindlessly fetishised. Rock does still pony up with fresh, exciting stuff occasionally, it’s true. When I interviewed Steve Malkmus once, I disparaged Oasis, and he said he kind of liked them because they were such lunkheads. I too want to see ‘One Battle After Another’ despite it being 3 or something hours long and so enthusiastically received. Let’s compare notes. ** Nicholas., I liked it. I like rambling and shifty. Shifty’s always good. I’ll milk the rest of them maybe as soon as maybe today if I can get my other shit together. Bravo! I generally have the blog posts set up for about a week or a week and a half in advance, and I do pretty carefully try to arrange them so each day there’s some kind of refreshing effect going on. I co-made a film about a kind of magician, ‘Permanent Green Light’, but that turf is pretty rich, so … Get your sleep. ** Minet, Hi, pal. Oh, wow, very cool about the interview’s effect. I am beholden to you. The 20s are interesting, yeah. Kind of an in-between phase or something. More than the teenage years, I think. When I was 25? Uh, so that would be 1978. I was mostly writing poetry and going to punk gigs very frequently and I had acid reflux for a while and I’d just started doing my Little Caesar Magazine and stuff like that. It was messy and I guess hard too, but I was forging ahead like I always seem to do. You’re going to be just fine, my brilliant friend. No worries. I know of ‘Shenmue’, but I never played it. I do like Wiseman’s films a lot, yes. I think my favorite of his is ‘Monrovia, Indiana’. I’m fine, just in-between trips, trying to wrap stuff up before I head back to the dreaded USA briefly on Friday. I hope all the good is working its magic fully on you. xoxo. ** Stil, Hi! It’s a beautiful way to work, I think, letting performers have their powers. They get excited, and it’s awesome to feel like everyone is revved up and making something they care about and that it’s not just Zac and me. I’ve never watched the ‘Before’ trilogy, which is weird. I really need to do that post-haste. I think I’m getting everything that needs to get done done pre-Baltimore. We’ll see. What are you doing and working on du jour? ** Right. Today you have the chance to investigate the work of the unfairly underknown filmmaker Holly Fisher if you so choose. See you tomorrow.

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