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Spotlight on … Barry Hannah Ray (1980)

 

‘A few years ago I received a letter from Barry Hannah, written in a shaky hand, on University of Mississippi stationery. I was working at the Paris Review, and he was writing to submit a short story by one of his students. It was a generous gesture, and a rare one, too—you’d be surprised how infrequently authors submit their favorite students’ work. (The students might be even more surprised.) But the most striking thing about the letter was the way Hannah introduced himself. “I’m not accustomed to this kind of thing, but I’m the author of Geronimo Rex, Airships, Ray, High Lonesome . . . ” An introduction was unnecessary—after all, he had been the subject of a major interview in the magazine just a few years earlier. It’s hard to imagine, say, Larry McMurtry beginning a letter, “I’m the author of Lonesome Dove, The Last Picture Show, Terms of Endearment . . . ” And Hannah was, as McMurtry himself has said, “the best fiction writer to appear in the South since Flannery O’Connor.” It’s possible Hannah was being excessively modest, but I suspect it’s more likely that he figured whatever kid opened his letter might not, in fact, know who he was.

‘The sad thing was that Hannah had good reason to think this. Although he was one of the few hugely innovative writers of our time—he suffered a fatal heart attack on March 1—he never had the readership or popularity of many of his peers, despite winning their adulation. Truman Capote called him “the maddest writer in the U.S.A.” His books are accompanied by unrestrained praise from John Grisham, Jim Harrison, Richard Ford, and Philip Roth (who in a single sentence compares Hannah to Mark Twain, William Faulkner, and O’Connor). These encomiums were a mixed blessing. Hannah couldn’t shake such lukewarm, even backhanded euphemisms as “southern writer” and “writer’s writer.” As Harrison said after Hannah’s death, “I always thought he would become a massively famous novelist, which didn’t quite happen, except in the minds of other writers.”

‘There’s not really any mystery to this. His prose is unlike any you’ve ever come across. One of the ways he manages this is by breaking rules—of syntax, narrative, logic. Sometimes he breaks them all at once. Take, for instance, the first paragraph of “Behold the Husband in His Perfect Agony,” from his first collection, Airships (1978):

In the alleys there were sighs and derisions and the slide of dice in the brick dust. His vision was impaired. One of his eyes had been destroyed in the field near Atlanta as he stood there with his binoculars.

‘A stingy grammarian might strike the repetition of the preposition that brackets the first sentence: “In the alleys . . . in the brick dust.” Our grammarian might also have a problem in the second sentence with the use of “his” instead of the character’s name, which we learn several lines later is False Corn (only on the next page, following this backward logic, does Hannah finally give us the man’s full name: Isaacs False Corn). We can piece it together, but Hannah doesn’t make it easy. This kind of thing can discombobulate casual readers. And without them you can’t sell a massive number of books. …

‘Hannah never lost his high exuberance. Even during his final years, in stories about church arsonists and Dexedrine-hopped fighter pilots, he was writing sentences like “The fire caught up in all points of the compass, running, almost speaking in snaps of twigs mad orange all suddenly” and “I was a child in an illuminated storybook, way off in a foreign brilliant home. The whale pulled on me and Persia was singing to me from across the water.” Hannah as narrator is wild-eyed and shifty—his writing bursts with digressions, anecdotes, stories within stories—but reading Long, Last, Happy, the stories themselves tend to blur. Three of them involve fishermen catching the biggest fish of their lives, the Confederate cavalry general Jeb Stuart makes an appearance in four, and vengeance-seeking women are everywhere. There is an interchangeability to Hannah’s work; in even his greatest stories there are paragraphs that could be swapped with paragraphs from other stories without disruption. The lasting impression is instead of the tunefulness of Hannah’s prose. “Music is essential,” he said in his 2004 Paris Review interview. “Writing and music are two different mediums, but musical phrases can give you sentences that you didn’t think you ever had.”’ — Nathaniel Rich, Bookforum

 

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Further

Barry Hannah, The Art of Fiction No. 184
Writers Remember Barry Hannah
Barry Hannah’s Top Ten List
Years After Barry Hannah’s Death, He Haunts Us Still
PULL BACK AND RELOAD: BARRY HANNAH IN HOLLYWOOD
Barry Hannah’s “Lost” Novel
A Short Ride: Remembering Barry Hannah
Language and Humor: Barry Hannah is a Dangerous Teacher
Barry Hannah by Fiona Maazel
Every Line Matters: In Memory of Barry Hannah (1942-2010)
Telling Tales of Barry
There Are Dry Tiny Horses Running in My Veins: Mourning Barry Hannah
Goodbye Epiphany, Hello Ecstasy
Why I write, by Barry Hannah
Barry Hannah: Macho Swaggering and Masterful Control
BARELY DISCERNIBLE NOTES ON BARRY HANNAH
Barry Hannah Left a Charge in the Air
Thrill Me: Barry Hannah in Memoriam

 

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Extras


Barry Hannah Interview and reading, Feb 1986


Bookmark with Don Noble: Barry Hannah (2008)


Barry Hannah in Tuscaloosa

 

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Interview
from The Believer

 

WELLS TOWER: Do you still read much Faulkner?

BARRY HANNAH: Yeah, there are only about five books I re-read. I reread As I Lay Dying. With the insanity and tragedy, it’s the best dysfunctional family ever written. There’s not a speck of love lost there. I taught at Middlebury, and since I was Southern, I had to teach Faulkner. I’m glad I discovered Faulkner late, it would have messed with my style. I’d have felt inadequate. I like Hemingway much better. It gave me life. I wanted to go to Paris so bad after reading The Sun Also Rises, just to have a Pernod or a coffee or something.

[We drive past a banner advertising the upcoming McCain-Obama debate.]

Hey, did you know we’re having the presidential debate here? We’re gonna be on the map some. We’re having McCain and Obama, there’s gonna be three thousand journalists here in two months.

WT: Why Oxford, I wonder.

BH: The country’s just running out of places that are decent, and Oxford’s very decent. A handsome town, very literary.

WT: How do you feel about the election?

BH: Waiting, still waiting. I like Obama. There’s the Grisham house. My publisher Sam Lawrence loved Oxford so much that he lived there, and when he died, Grisham bought it. Grisham’s generosity has totally changed my teaching; the MFA program’s almost totally John. It’s highly ranked and everything. I don’t care. I really want to be below the radar, but hell, all this money from John—I didn’t wanna let him down. Two Grisham fellowships. We’re not ever going to be Iowa, but we’ll be good in a small way. Georgia State was a drag. On the third floor there were these gypsies selling fake silver shit. It was crazy.

[At Rowan Oak. We walk over to the house to peer in the window of Faulkner’s office.]

Faulkner bought this place for twenty-five thousand dollars after he had a hit with Sanctuary in 1929. The curtains are parted. No, they’re not, goddammit, how rude. I’ve got a handkerchief for the dew…. It all has to be air-conditioned to the right temperature to preserve it.

It was not in this good of shape when he was here. Then he went up to Charlottesville. He said he liked Charlottesville because everybody was a snob, like him—they left you alone—and he rode horses. His death was brought on by a combination of alcohol and horses—he fell off one. He’d ruptured a disk. He was drinking for pain (as well as for his alcoholism) at the end. The dry-out clinic is up the road, below Memphis, about an hour from here—Byhalia. His back was killing him. He died in Byhalia. It was just his time.

There’s a deer. Look at the deer. Sweet little yearling. I don’t know how people shoot ’em.

WT: I feel like shooting them. They eat everything I plant.

BH: They’re just incredibly beautiful. I think they’re wonderful. He’s not trained to survive. I could walk right up to him. Do you see any spikes?

WT: No, I think it’s a doe.

BH: The males know you wanna kill ’em. Every now and then one comes by with a rack. They’re just so glorious. They beat each other to death to get to mate.

Here’s the marker for his Nobel Prize. Around here, no one even knew what the hell that was. Some Swedes give him a prize. Shit, why’s that important? I’m not kidding.

When I first came here, I just heard Faulkner Faulkner Faulkner. His kinfolk and all of it—I was just bored by it. But then I grew to like to have these ghosts around. I find it amenable. He was a little man who did a hell of a lot. Underdog story.

I spent about six or seven years outside of the South. Two years in Vermont at Middlebury, a few in Montana, California. I didn’t think I’d come back here at all. I grew up during the civil rights era and I’d had it with these horrible goddamn cowards killing blacks and all the rest. It was a shame. But there are certain worthy things about the Mississippi. It’s one of the most integrated states in the Union. Oxford, at least on the surface, is very gorgeous. It wasn’t Faulkner or any of that that brought me back. It was the people.

WT: So you don’t feel an urge to flee the company of other writers, or their ghosts?

BH: The good ones are so few. But fiction writers are good people, usually. There’s a lot of pretenders, but I haven’t met a lot of sons of bitches.

WT: Well, if you stick with it, it beats you into a certain humility.

BH: Right, humility.

WT: Are you mostly working on the typewriter these days?

BH: Always. That’s all I use. Pencil, pen, and typewriter. I put a tin roof out here just for the rain.

WT: It’s a great sound. I wish you could get it on a white-noise machine.

BH: We got a pool out back, so it’s a better house than an Eisenhower house. We put the decks around it, added a pool. I’ve got very musical students so we play some over here. I play bass and flugelhorn but I always envied the guitar, the way you handle it. When I got very ill and almost died Susan built this library, all the shelves. I came back and Susan wants to give me an environment to write in. It’s not necessary, I told her. I write in motels. I write at the kitchen table, but she’s from Southern California money and you’re supposed to look like a writer. I don’t get off on being imperial. I was just flat bad when I tried to write for Robert Altman [Power and Light]. At his house, I was in a wooden tower with Plexiglas windows and gulls were all round you and the Pacific Ocean came under the house and I said, Shit, this is heaven, I don’t have a subject, it’s just too good.

WT: He optioned Ray?

BH: No, he didn’t. He liked Ray, but I went out there. I thought there was gonna be a future in it but there wasn’t.

There’s too much crap in here. I always thought I’d live among books, you realize when you move, you’re moving stuff you’ll never read again. I’m just giving away a lot of stuff now. It’s my time in life to give it away to someone who’s gonna read it. Most of these books are history, all of Cormac McCarthy, Bukowski, Larry Brown, Flannery O’Connor, Hemingway, Faulkner.

I’m just like an elder modernist. Postmodern is a very flat, meaningless term to me. I’m nothing like John Barth or Robert Coover. I don’t like games about writing.

WT: I recently came across an interview with someone who couldn’t stop calling you a “difficult writer.” It seemed to piss you off.

BH: I’m disheartened by others who’ve said that. I never thought I was that difficult. I thought I was writing for a fairly hip, intelligent crowd; I just thought there were more of them out there. But they’re not. They’re not out there waiting. They’re not gonna use their intelligence on your book. They’ll use it on television or something—so I was kind of brokenhearted that I was called difficult. I always intended to be light and open. I misjudged the American audience. On the other hand, I’ve had students at Iowa who’ve sold a lot of books, there just aren’t huge numbers of writers who are doing well. It’s not impossible. I guess it’s the plot element that I don’t care enough about. I don’t really care about plot; I want to have a page-turner in a different kind of way.

 

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Book

Barry Hannah Ray
Grove Atlantic

‘The hard-drinking, womanising, smart and witty Southerner, with weird friends, a chequered history and a few odd habits, including recreational drug use, is a staple of US fiction and this novel fits squarely into this genre. Though it is very short, Hannah packs a fair amount into the story of Ray Forrester, known to everyone (including himself – he frequently uses the third person instead of the first) as Ray or Dr. Ray. Ray is a former Vietnam War pilot and is currently a doctor in Tuscaloosa. He is divorced (at the beginning of the book), though later marries Westy. Because the book is short and moves at such a fast pace, you will be never be bored with Ray’s sexual and medical adventures.

‘Of course, in accordance with the tradition of this genre, Ray is not exactly faithful, even when he is married. In particular, he loves Sister. Sister is a member of the obligatory weirdo family, the Hooches. Their house is completely run down and bits keep falling down. There are seven children, two sets of twins at either end, and three others, one of whom is Sister. (Her real name is Betty but everyone calls her Sister.) Ray used to date her and goes back to her early in the book. He had paid for her to go to college but she dropped out and made some money dealing marijuana. She manages to get a good career as a singer but is shot and killed by a minister shortly after having sex with Ray. The Hooch parents are, of course, eccentric. They nearly kill one another with propane and, at the end, Mr. Hooch is about to have his collected poetry published. During the course of the book, they remain a focal point for the obligatory eccentricity.

‘Of course, there are other strange people, such as Charlie de Soto (yes, he is apparently related), who has a passionate affair with Eileen in the office, tries to kill a neighbour for no other reason than he dislikes his regular habits and inadvertently succeeds, marries Eileen, who then loses interest in him and becomes a lesbian. Ray himself has strange adventures in the emergency room, mainly with drunks and knife-wielding thugs, flashes back to his Vietnam experiences and imagines himself as one of Jeb Stuart‘s cavalrymen slaughtering Yankees. In short, it is fast-moving, full of humour and never boring.’ — The Modern Novel

Excerpt

 

 

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p.s. Hey. ** T. J., Hi. I’ve always found Jr. almost thoroughly annoying. I’m high on those three films too. Big up. ** David Ehrenstein, Peter Schjeldahl’s daughter Ada Calhoun just published a book about her attempt to finish Peter’s failed attempt to write a Frank O’Hara biography back in the 1980s, and I think it could be very interesting. She’s a good writer. Everyone, Although my prior attempts to urge those of you who can to contribute to Mr. Ehrenstein’s gofundme have largely failed, I try again because things are very, very tough for him, and his husband, the fine writer Bill Reed, is bedridden, so please do consider helping him if you possibly can. Thank you very much. Go here. Bill’s bedridden? What happened? Jesus. I’m sorry, David. ** Tosh Berman, Wow, that’s a great story. That film blew my mind way back when. Crazy. ** Jack Skelley, Hey, J. Oh, that’s an idea: to do a RDSr film in our thingeroony. Stories is really the happening place, I guess. Can’t wait to get there and investigate its current hotness. xo. ** Misanthrope, I don’t think very many people who are much younger than me know RDSr’s films, but the early ones were quite the buzz in their day. So much for having buzz as a goal. Anything to do with requiring lots of money is really hard, or so I imagine. Mm, I think there are better and more exciting and lucrative things you can do with your valuable time. Hope your mom’s okay today. Is she? ** _Black_Acrylic, He is due some kind of revival. Jr. could surely make that happen, but I guess he’s too busy maintaining his fame. Oh, right, about the dexterity impact. Needless to say, what you’ve had to go through is the very epitome of unfairness. Bodies suck, and not in the good way. But between you and me, writing is better any way. And you’re already amazing at it. So way onwards and upwards. ** Dominik, Hi!!! Yeah, I don’t think James ever shows his face in ‘Donnie Darko’. I think there must’ve have been a plan originally that he did. Otherwise why cast him in the role and not just some anybody who was hanging around on the set? The funding search is very stressful and worrisome, but I have to believe it will work out okay because there’s no other choice. I’ve been sneezing a lot lately ‘cos the pollen has been weirdly dense, and turning into a red ball every time sounds like so much fun not to mention giving my sneezes a larger purpose (to blow others’ minds). We just found out that the one song we want to have in our new film is far, far too expensive to get the rights to, so love forming a band and recording a cover version of that song that sounds exactly like it, G. ** RYAN (he’s back baybee), There you are. No big. I know busy, it’s just I have to be here whether I’m busy or not. Sweet, clue me in to the single and poster and so on when the time turns ripe. Exciting! Oh, uh, Interview Magazine asked me to interview Keanu for some reason. I can’t remember what the movie was that the interview was tied to. He was about to go film ‘Idaho’. It was at this restaurant that was his favorite. It was on Melrose, it doesn’t exist anymore. He was extremely nice and sweet and open and really innocent seeming. maybe almost too much because I asked him if he was gay, and he said no, but you never know, and he was just being funny and sweet, but that answer led to years of rumors that he was gay, which he wasn’t/isn’t. Just the loveliest guy. He talks about ‘Wolfboy’ in the interview. I interviewed a bunch of famous people at one point for magazines, and Keanu was definitely the nicest person I ever interviewed. So there you go. Love back. Great luck getting everything ready! ** Steve Erickson, I think by ‘Up the Academy’ he was just a gun for hire and his auteur stuff was long gone. I would say the drop off came after ‘Two Tons of Turquoise to Taos Tonight’. Okay, I’ll check out the utterly odious sounding Tom McDonald. Everyone, Via Steve Erickson: ‘My review of the excellent NEPTUNE FROST came out in Gay City News yesterday.’ While the fundraising is somewhat desperate right now, don’t think my integrity, such as it is, would let me join the NFT racket. Hopefully I won’t eat those words. ** Right. When I did my favorite novels post recently, a number of people responding put this Barry Hannah novel on their favorite novels list, so I thought I’d give it a berth. See you tomorrow.

Robert Downey Sr. Day

 

‘Born in 1936 in Manhattan, Downey Sr. launched his directing career with three experimental comedy films — “Babo 73,” followed by 1966’s “Chafed Elbows” and 1968’s “No More Excuses” — all of which clocked in at about an hour long.

‘Film critic Andy Klein once described Downey Sr.’s early career entries as consisting of “Groucho Marx-style dialogue, Richard Lester visual humor and a little too much sexual content” that provided “a welcome relief” to the mainstream.

‘“I’ve always talked about Robert Downey Sr., and I’ve made it no secret that I just … idolize him,” said director Paul Thomas Anderson at a 2014 event honoring the film veteran. “He just never seemed to give a [damn]. And quite simply, that is really cool.”

‘Downey Sr.’s breakthrough came in 1969 with “Putney Swope,” which he also wrote and produced. The avant-garde satire — starring Arnold Johnson as the only Black man on the board of a Madison Avenue advertising agency who, to his condescending white colleagues’ astonishment, is suddenly elected chairman — remains his most beloved title.

‘He followed the boundary-pushing success of “Putney Swope” with 1970’s “Pound” and 1972’s “Greaser’s Palace,” a cult-favorite acid western starring Allan Arbus as a proxy for Jesus Christ navigating New Mexico. “He was always making you laugh, and that was really his concern,” Anderson said in 2014.

‘“That’s the beauty of those things. Or to make a film that feels as political as ‘Putney Swope’ but really have it be a flat-out comedy. And that’s everybody’s dream, isn’t it? To be able to operate at that level.”

‘Less warmly received were some of his later works, such as 1990’s “Too Much Sun,” which starred Downey Jr. and drew scorn from Times film reviewer Kevin Thomas, who argued that the family romp “dips into such ugly, and old-fashioned, stereotypes as gay men as pedophiles.” Downey Sr.’s final feature was 2005’s “Rittenhouse Square,” a documentary centering on a public park in Philadelphia.

‘In the acting realm, the elder Downey made his big-screen debut in his own “No More Excuses” as a Civil War soldier who time-travels to 1968 New York City. He later appeared in a smattering of movies and TV series, including “To Live and Die in L.A.” and “Boogie Nights,” as well as “Tower Heist” and “Magnolia.”

‘His son Robert Downey Jr. got his start acting in a number of his father’s films, such as “Pound,” “Greaser’s Palace” and “Up the Academy.” “You’re not just trying to fit the storytelling on the screen, you’re trying to do something a little bit different,” Downey Jr. said in 2014 of Downey Sr.’s approach to filmmaking. “Dad definitely always had a vision for what he was doing, but he was always seeking those weird little forays into other things, which ended up being what people remember from the movie.”’ — Christi Carras

 

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Further

Robert Downey Sr. @ IMDb
RDS @ MUBI
Eclipse Series 33: Up All Night with Robert Downey Sr.
[PUTNEY SWOPE]
Robert Downey Sr. Dead at 85: Robert Downey Jr. Hails Father as ‘True Maverick Filmmaker’
The Best Robert Downey Sr. Movies Ranked
Robert Downey Sr. Gets a Film Festival
Six Decades of Robert Downey Sr
Robert Downey Sr. and Film Forum Look Back on a Life Underground
“Rockin’ the Boat’s a Drag. You Gotta Sink the Boat!”: Robert Downey Sr.’s Anarchist Cinema
Robert Downey Sr. Talks Filmmaking, NYC, And Trump
SENIOR TRIP: Andrew Hultkrans on Robert Downey Sr.

 

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Extras


Robert Downey Sr. on Eisenhower & JFK, 1967


Legendary Film Director Robert Downey Sr. 1991


1997’s “Boogie Nights” featuring Robert Downey Sr. as ‘Burt’


Robert Downey, Sr. – Unseen (2008)

 

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Interview

 

Jonas Mekas: I see Putney Swope as a collage film, a collage of absurdities, of ideas, situations, insights, documentary reconstructions, ironies, parodies, etc. None of your films are really character or plot films. But then, even Sturges comedies are collages. Not that your film is exactly a comedy. I think it’s also a document. My main problem with it is that I do not know the advertising world and I am not even interested in it. Probably, half of the film escaped me totally.

Marshall Lewis: It’s curious that you are bringing up the collage thing. Because I find the idea rather exciting. Because it’s frenetic, as the advertising world itself.

Jonas: The only thing is that to present the madness, one has to be very organized… Anyway, it’s possible that you chose the most difficult form of comedy, as far as the viewer goes. The viewer in Putney Swope is not given any guidance. The scenes of corruption and scenes of innocence are mixed together. Sane and insane are mixed together. The subject, in a sense, is not transcended but only presented, and presented probably well. People who are interested in advertising will have a field day with this film.

Marshall: That is, all of Madison Avenue.

Jonas: And also many other avenues. Everybody advertises, everybody sells.

Robert Downey: It’s symbolic of everything. Not only advertising.

Marshall: It’s about people doing things they don’t like doing.

Jonas: In Swope, I had a feeling that people were doing things and they liked doing them. Only that they were doing stupid things. The people were stupid, and their business silly, stupid, and corrupt.

Marshall: The only thing is that they do not enjoy doing it.

Jonas: I didn’t see any clues to that. I do not see any clues to that in New York in general. The way people are acting I get the impression everybody likes what they are doing, no matter how stupid or corrupt their business is. The only clue is that you see no passion in what they are doing. That’s why your film is so documentary. The way I see the film, Swope wants to run the advertising agency, and he believes in it, and he runs it to the best of his abilities. Same with all the other silly characters, black and white. They do everything to the best of their abilities.

Downey: But they end saying, fuck it, let’s split the money and go.

Jonas: Yes, but they say it not because of their principle but because, through their stupidity, they mismanage their business. They would like to succeed, but they don’t know how to run it. Maybe they are not corrupt enough yet. Anyway, this is an occupation, a profession I know nothing about.

Downey: But there are millions of these people. If they don’t work in advertising, they use it. I worked in it, for two years. I am trying to cleanse myself in this film by showing everything that I saw while working in advertising. I could’t believe, for instance, that a black man was getting less money than me for doing the same thing I was doing. That’s another reason for why I brought the black people into the movie.

Jonas: My problem is this. I even attacked the Living Theatre, for harping and harping on how black and corrupt everything is. It’s about time that we go one step further, and… We all know how corrupt the system is. These are very obvious that both whites and blacks can misuse and mistreat people…

Marshall: You know it, but how many people really do?

Jonas: What I’d like to know is why Don Rugoff really likes the film. I’d like to interview him and find out his reasons. Maybe he thinks the film is good propaganda for Madison Avenue.

Downey: He thinks I am crazy. He actually thinks I am insane. Really.

Marshall: But he distributed good films, like The Cool World, Nobody Waved Goodbye, Soft Skin, Nothing But a Man

Downey: The things we did, the stuff Taylor Mead, I did, or what your brother did in Hallelujah the Hills, this is starting to seep into what they call, uptown, “people who go to movies,” and it took 10 years.

Jonas: The Wild Bunch, by Peckinpah, could be made by you, Peckinpah, could be made by you, or by Taylor Mead, by Warhol — it’s camp… It’s still great, I think, that today you can take a film like Swope to Cinema II — a film without a plot, a film that isn’t exactly what they call a Hollywood movie. It’s not even exactly a comedy.

Downey: It’s a sad film. It’s a tragedy. It’s a documentary absurdity.

Jonas: I think Swope is a film which would look better the second time. It’s not a one-viewing film.

Downey: I see that Jonas doesn’t dig the film. You don’t have to write about it if you don’t like it. I know Jonas if he doesn’t like something he doesn’t write about it.

Jonas: It’s true. But it’s also true that I do not dislike Swope. The only thing is that I do not know the world it deals with, it doesn’t interest me. So I am sort of interested. The film is educational to me, like a documentary. A case study. When I am not familiar with the subject of the film I am very critical of my own dislikes.

Downey: I think its the best film I ever made. It’s my most personal movie. But the truth is also that I want to go to something else. It’s my best film because I learned more from this film than any other.

Jonas: It’s certainly the most ambitious of your films. And the deepest, content-wise.

Downey: I really do not see why you interview me. Maybe I should interview you as the film-maker of Swope.

Jonas: Okay. Ask me questions.

Downey: Do you think that anything is funny in your film, Putney Swope?

Jonas: Hmm… Hmm… The author has very little perspective to his own work. It’s very difficult to judge for me what’s really funny in Swope. It’s a serious film for me.

Downey: What do you mean by “serious”?

Jonas: What I mean is this… I wonder if for Chaplin, or Keaton, or any great comedian… if any of their own gags, situations looked really funny to them… For an artist, who is creating it, it’s a very serious business to make a comedy. That’s what I mean, when I say that Swope is a serious film for me.

Downey: You are probably right… How do you feel about a film opening in a uptown theatre, Upper East Side? How does that affect you?

Jonas: When you do something into what you believe you want more people to see it, be it for fun, for politics, or for beauty. Swope is not exactly a home movie. It’s a movie for the people.

Downey: Do you care about what other people say about your film?

Jonas: Praises are sweet… But you see, immediately, after you’ve just completed a film, you are sort of numb to both, to praises and criticism. It’s neither hot nor cold. You are still surrounded by the atmosphere of your own film, and you are the best judge of it, so it doesn’t matter what people or papers say. It matters more to the distributor and the exhibitor.

Downey: Why did you call the film Putney Swope?

Jonas: Could be any other name. No great reason… Okay, why did you call it Putney Swope‘?

Downey: I don’t know…

Jonas: How much did the film cost?

Downey: Over $200,000. There are over 200 actors in it.

Jonas: Rugoff is the distributor. Who was the producer?

Downey: A guy named Duboff. He put up the money. I had nothing to do with raising money. Nobody else would do it.

Jonas: Where did you get the black actors?

Downey: We put an ad in ­Showbusiness, and the first 100 who came we cast.

Jonas: How long did it take to shoot?

Downey: Two months. But we were rushed. We had to shoot nights in agencies… So you don’t like the film? You think it has no feeling…

Jonas: No… But I think it lacks substance. Or clarity. But then, the whole advertising feeling has no substance. And then, please do not take my quibbles out of proper perspective. When I compare your film with, say, The Wild Bunch, I have to admit that I like your film better. So you see, my quibbles are on a different level… Have you seen any films recently you liked?

Downey: I like Hopper’s Easy Rider. Also, Titicut Follies. Swope could be called Madison Avenue Follies. Have you seen any you liked?

Jonas: I liked 2001.

Downey: You never wrote about it.

Jonas: I do not write about films which everybody writes about even when I like them. You see, the commercial film has 999 papers, and 999 film columnists, and the underground has only me, or me and a half… I even had doubt if I should write about your film — you’ll get enough space uptown. Or I hope so. Have you had any Hollywood offers?

Downey: They keep coming. I have turned down a lot of films for a lot of money for the last two months. Because I want to write my own scripts. And they want me to film novels. One day a guy offered me $75,000 just for directing, to make a movie. I never had 75 cents… you know. So I say, “but this book is a piece of shit.” And he says: “I know. But when do you want to start?” I would never make those kind of movies. I am not there. I am in the middle. I’ll be always in the middle, between underground and Hollywood. Although you never support this kind of cinema…

Jonas: It’s not true. You see, if I write only about the underground film, it does not mean that I dislike all other cinema. I consider that I have limited amount of energy. Plus, no other paper would write about the underground, not until very recently. As for the “middle” cinema, there is all the uptown “intellectual,” “liberal” crowd. So it’s not a question of my likes or dislikes but the question of “strategy of energy.” It’s all calculated… I am concerned only with the most neglected area: the personal, mostly non-narrative film. Bringing Andrew Sarris into The Voice was part of calculated strategy, to free myself for the avant garde.

Downey: I noticed that Andrew’s columns became shorter after he got married.

Jonas: That’s why mine will become longer… I ain’t a fool, I am not going to get married… Where was I? Yes. There are so many films which are not even mentioned anywhere. So why should I waste my small column on commercial film? Very often I get reproaches from the commercial film-makers, often good friends of mine: “Why didn’t you review my film? You don’t like it or something?” But I consider my Voice space too valuable. I am guilty even about this space that I am giving to you.

Downey: That’s why you don’t write about Andy’s film anymore?

Jonas: That’s correct. He doesn’t need me any longer. I have to control myself, not to write.

Downey: So why do you write about my film?

Jonas: From solidarity, I guess. Memory of the old days. When you were in the underground, when you were showing your films at the Charles theatre, at the Open House. In memory of good old days…

 

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16 of Robert Downey’s 18 films

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Babo 73 (1964)
‘Taylor Mead plays the president of the United Status, who, when he isn’t at the White House—a dilapidated Victorian—conducts his top-secret affairs on a deserted beach. Robert Downey Sr.’s first feature is a rollicking, slapstick, ultra-low-budget 16 mm comedy experiment that introduced a twisted new voice to the New York underground.’ — The Criterion Collection


Robert Downey Sr. and Paul Thomas Anderson on Babo 73

 

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A Touch of Greatness (1964)
‘In an era when Dick, Jane, and discipline ruled America’s schools, Albert Cullum allowed Shakespeare, Sophocles, and Shaw to reign in his fifth grade public school classroom. Through the use of poetry, drama and imaginative play, Cullum championed an unorthodox educational philosophy that spoke directly to his students’ needs. Many of Cullum’s projects were recorded on film by then novice filmmaker Robert Downey, Sr. Weaving stunning black and white footage and rare archival television broadcasts together with interviews of Cullum and his former students, this is a portrait of a maverick teacher who transformed a generation of young people by enabling them to discover their own inner greatness.’ — IMDb


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Sweet Smell of Sex (1965)
‘As an Archivist I spend much time hunting through cans, unearthing reels lost in the annals of Anthology Film Archives. I also somehow tend to get contacted when wide-eyed folks discover films and don’t know what to do with them. Time and again I am reminded that there are innumerable milestones and mysteries yet to be discovered, cans still sitting in closets, warehouses and flea markets. And somewhere out there in the sea of lost films is the feature THE SWEET SMELL OF SEX (1965, 72 minutes) directed by Robert Downey Sr. who, by the way, does not particularly care about the fate of this odd exploitation quickie. It was an assignment he picked up to pay the hospital bills for the birth of his son, Iron Man.’ — Andrew Lampert

 

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Chafed Elbows (1966)
‘This riot of bad taste was a breakthrough for Downey, thanks to rave notices. Visualized largely in still 35 mm photographs, it follows a shiftless downtown Manhattanite having his “annual November breakdown” as he wanders from one odd job to the next, coming across all sorts of sordid types, from a desperate independent filmmaker to a destitute dirty-sock sniffer. And there is something to offend everyone: incest, murder, bad pop songs, you name it. “Chafed Elbows” was made for $12,000 and managed to turn in a profit during its month long run at The Gate Theater in New York City; where it played alongside Kenneth Anger’s Scorpio Rising.’ — The Criterion Collection


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No More Excuses (1968)
‘Downey takes his camera and microphone onto the streets (and into some bedrooms) for a look at Manhattan’s singles scene of the late sixties. Of course, that’s not all: No More Excuses cuts between this footage and the fragmented tale of a time-traveling Civil War soldier, a rant from the director of the fictional Society for Indecency to Naked Animals, and other assorted improprieties.’ –Janus Films


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Putney Swope (1969)
Putney Swope, the 1969 indie film by satiric playwright, screenwriter and movie director Robert Downey Sr. (yes, the father of film star Robert Downey Jr.), is a clash of social commentary and unbridled comedy. In 2016 it was selected by the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress citing that it is “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant”. What an understatement! Swope is a scathing, taboo-busting, hysterical farce about the foibles of the American advertising industry particularly referring to the racial prejudices of the times (and since). The plot turns on the concept that a predominantly white-shoe (emphasis on white) Madison Avenue ad agency’s chairman suddenly drops dead and is splayed out on the boardroom table and Putney Swope, the company’s token Black ad exec (played by Arnold Johnson, who was later featured on “Sanford & Son,” “Family Matters” and the movie Shaft), is unintentionally elected as the new chairman. A cultural revolution ensues.’ — Print Mag


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Pound (1970)
‘Set in a New York City dog pound, 18 dogs, played by human actors, wait to be adopted. Part existential comedy, part allegory, the dogs include a punch drunk Boxer (Stan Gottlieb), a hyperactive Mexican Hairless (a scene stealing Lawrence Wolf) and a sleek Greyhound (Antonio Fargas). Meanwhile, the city is being terrorized by a serial killer dubbed The Honky Killer (James Green). Pound also features the debut of performance of Downey’s son Robert Jr. as a puppy temporarily held at the pound. “When I took this film to the studio, and screened it for the head of the studio, he said he thought it was going to be animated,” Downey states, chuckling. “As ‘punishment’ it ended up on a double bill with a Fellini movie, Satyricon. I was in heaven. (The studio) was ashamed of it. It was X rated, for language. And the same studio that had it had Midnight Cowboy two minutes later. So this thing disappeared.”’ — Film Buff Online


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Greaser’s Palace (1972)
‘Underground renegade Robert Downey Sr. heads west for this wildly satirical religious parable. Jesse (Allan Arbus) is a Christlike amnesiac who parachutes into a frontier town run by the cruel and constipated Seaweedhead Greaser (Albert Henderson). There, Jesse proceeds to resurrect the dead, tap dance on water, and perform his stigmatic bleeding as part of a saloon show, while Downey keeps topping his own craziness in what plays like a surreal, scatological acid western born from the fever dreams of Luis Buñuel.’ — The Criterion Collection


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Sticks and Bones (1973)
‘The realization of David Rabe’s play was originally produced by the Papp Theater in NYC and won a Tony Award for Best Play – Drama. Robert Downey Sr. directed the made for television movie but CBS network affiliates refused to broadcast the program after receiving pressure from the Federal Government not to air the made for Tv movie because it’s the subject matter about a blind Vietnam Vet returning home to a family that was not altogether happy to have him back. They felt the dark subject matter would offend the throngs of Vietnam Vets who in 1974 were returning home from Cambodia. Five months after it was pulled from its original air date, it was finally broadcast. It was considered a bold move to bring such gripping material to television, while others questioned whether it should have been brought to television at all. For most viewers, it was a difficult work to digest, and it remained controversial.’ — The Made-For-Television Movie


the entirety

 

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Two Tons of Turquoise to Taos Tonight (1975)
‘“A film without a beginning or an end,” in Downey’s words, this Dadaist thingamajig—a never-before-seen, newly reedited version of the director’s 1975 release Moment to Moment (also known as Jive)—is a rush of curious sketches, scenes, and shots that takes on a rhythmic life of its own. It stars Downey’s multitalented wife, Elsie, in an endless succession of off-the-wall roles, from dancer to cocaine fiend.’ — The Criterion Collection


Robert Downey Sr. and Paul Thomas Anderson on Two Tons of Turquoise to Taos Tonight

 

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Up The Academy (1980)
‘As far as Robert Downey goes this is super pedestrian. But as far as 80s sex comedies goes this is super Robert Downey. In a way it’s kind of everything he’s been doing but in the appropriate setting for once — repetitious inappropriate jokes, half assed plot, disjointed and extended sequences, silly accents, a barbershop quartet so terrible they destroy glasses and large buildings (I’d buy their album!) and a bunch of wise ass kids too horny to live. I don’t know why this appealed so much to me but it did. Normally I hate teen comedies but this is so weirdly subversive of the genre while still conforming completely. Those like dumb one liners and shit like that totally nonsensical soccer game where everybody’s just punching each other. Ron Liebman is hilarious in this, I don’t know why he was so embarrassed to be in it. Plus that creepy/amazing Alfred E Newman mask.’ — Jenna Ipcar


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America (1986)
‘This a 178 second clip from “America” (1986) starring Zack Norman and directed by Robert Downey. It was taped from a playing television and is of horrible quality. Again, the quality is disturbingly bad so if this bothers you move along, otherwise watch and grimace. If you’re expecting quality you may also want to move along. As quoted from an IMDB comment, “Rarely, does a film combine so many poor actors, such a lame story, stilted script writing and unappealing characters.”‘ — booyakashahah


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Rented Lips (1988)
‘A documentary filmmaker, who has spent the last 15 years making films like “Aluminum: Our Shiny Friend,” is finally given the chance to make the documentary on Indian farming he has always wanted to. The catch? He must simultaneously direct a porn film. But as he tries to make the porn film, which he turns into a musical called “Halloween in the Barracks,” he must deal with a temperamental actor, a fundamentalist preacher, and other obstacles.’ — Letterboxd


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Too Much Sun (1990)
‘I was intrigued, mostly because this film was made in 1990 and had lesbians in it and one of the lesbians is named Susan. I was certain I’d stumbled upon a bona fide hidden gem. $2.99 was a small price to pay to uncover this elusive cinematic experience and then share it with all of you here. How delighted we’d all be together! Well, my friends: this film is not a hidden gem, it is a shame, and therefore hidden on purpose. It’s not simply terrible, it is a stain upon humanity. It is a farce without whimsy, an aggressively unfunny comedy and an allegedly LGBT-inclusive film riddled with really fucked up jokes! Its badness is not benign, its badness is inescapable, like a rotting tuna sandwich in a parked car on a hot day. A day, perhaps, with too much sun.’ — Autostraddle


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Hugo Pool (1997)
‘The penultimate film of Robert Downey Sr. feels like a home movie made on weekends with A-lister buddies. Episodic and random in structure. Some good individual scenes but none of it comes together.’ — Ian Anthony Brownell


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Rittenhouse Square (2005)
‘A Year in the Life of an American Park. RITTENHOUSE SQUARE is an impressionistic, music-filled documentary about the tony Philadelphia park. Perhaps Downey’s most romantic and sympathetic work, displaying distinct signs of mellowing with the passing of years.’ — Senses of Cinema


the entirety

 

 

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p,s. Hey. ** _Black_Acrylic, Hi, B. Wow, you did have a talent for drawing. What made you direct your mojo elsewhere? Your ‘Cricketer’ is much more exciting than the Flanagan itself, I must say. Everyone, Before we leave the topic of bunnies, follow this trail courtesy of _B_A: ‘As a boy I had a talent for drawing, and at one activity day at Leeds Art Gallery I drew their sculpture by Barry Flanagan of a rabbit named Cricketeer. I was awarded a prize for this by the popular TV game show host Bob Holness, and my artwork appeared in a book titled the Young Person’s Guide to the Gallery. It was a very early encounter with art world fame. That bunny Cricketer drawing is here on my website, 5th from bottom.’ ** Billy, Hi, of course. Hopefully less artsy-fartsy than the Gorillaz thing. Is that where the thing for monochrome cinematography started? Oh, my god, I hate that look more than death itself! ‘Twilight’ should be charged with War Crimes by the Nobel committee or something. Yay, re: ‘GMM”s powers of insinuation so far. I don’t know what ‘Baby Bump’ is even. So I don’t know. But I will. Or I’ll put myself in a position to know maybe at least. Thanks, pal. ** Misanthrope, Well, that’s an interesting response to my charming post. Um, well, to be a film producer in the US you need have large amounts of money at your disposal and great connections with wealthy generous people. In France, you just have to be really good at getting government grants. ** Jack Skelley, Non-wacko Jacko! Great you’re hanging with the power duo, and wish I could’ve been at your reading, duh. I see that Amy’s reading there soon with Kate Durbin. You going? Extreme yes!!!!! about your book’s coverage and imminence! Things with fuckhead feel doomy but I’m fighting like a junkyard dog. ** Dominik, Hi!!! Maybe a combination French Mac&Cheese and coke dealer would work. I hope MCR change their set list between the two shows, but probably not, right? Oh, you’ll have a such a blast, guaranteed. Hm, maybe I will do a Fake Avril post then. Hm. Frank! Played by the wonderful James Duval. who had the best stomach in showbiz when he was younger. I think his stomach even gets a mention in one of my novels. And a super sweet guy. He and I (and his stomach) were in a video together for this ancient TV series United States of Poetry based on one of my poems. Here. Love making funding Zac’s and my film as trendy as investing in NFTs, G. ** Steve Erickson, Oh, to be as uncared about as Mark Wahlberg. There’s a life’s goal for you. I’m about 99.9% sure I’ll watch ‘TG:M’ on a plane. I only want to see ‘Jurassic Park’, theater going-wise. ** David Ehrenstein, Brad Gooch — which autocorrect just corrected to Brad Pooch, which is funny because that was Tim Dlugos’s nickname for him — was friends with Bunny Lang. ** Bill, My browser wouldn’t load those De Young images, alas. I’ve never heard of the Morris Museum before. Huh. In fact, other than the airport, I’ve never set foot in New Jersey, but then again back when I lived in NYC in the early 80s, no one I knew ever even set foot in Brooklyn! ** Rafe, Hi, Rafe. I don’t think I know the film ‘Taxidermia’ unless I’m spacing out. I’ll seek it and discover. Thank you! The title is promising certainly. I think ‘cool’ works, but, you know, I’m a dark soul, man. How’s stuff? ** Okay. I’m guessing that a bunch of you don’t or barely know that Robert Downey Jr.’s father was at one time a well-known cutting edge avant-garde underground filmmaker who, in the 60s and 70s, managed to hit the zeitgeist then simultaneously lost his mojo and fell out of favor and became only known to the degree he is as the father of the actor. His early films are very of their time but quite fun. I recommend starting with ‘Greaser’s Palace’. There you go. See you tomorrow.

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